Gell-Mann had probably been sensitized to the importance of non-commutativity. As a quantum physicist he would have been acutely aware that at the deepest level, nature disobeys the commutative law. And it’s a good thing, too. For the failure of commutativity is what makes the world the way it is. It’s why matter is solid, and why atoms don’t implode.
Specifically, early in the development of quantum mechanics, Werner Heisenberg and Paul Dirac had discovered that nature follows a curious kind of logic in which p × q ≠ q × p, where p and q represent the momentum and position of a quantum particle. Without that breakdown of the commutative law, there would be no Heisenberg uncertainty principle, atoms would collapse, and nothing would exist.
That’s why you’d better mind your p’s and q’s. And tell your kids to do the same.
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Add CommentSo the second law of thermodynamics does not apply to order of operations in arithmetic. I think it is a good point that we should be clear that x * y implies y groups of x items. We certainly didn't cover it in my school.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWhile commutative property works well in some ecionomic transactions, such as applying sales tax before or after discount is applied (which Srogatz adduces as an example), in other cases commutativity doesn't work, like the second law of thermodnamics (to which Strogatz adumbrates), which itself cannot be proved "deductively," but only with statistical maximum likelihhod theory. This must be one reason why MIT's Nobel-laureate economist brought thermodynamics into economic theory in his pioneering Ph.D. thesis ["Foundations of Economic Analysis"]at Harvard. Other great economists like Solow or NYT's Paul Krugman warn us about robotic,arid mathematical explanations of economic ideas. We cannot always slavishly apply commutativity to economic constructs. Strogatz's crisp investigation gives a good insight
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI dislike using 'beg' that way. To beg the question means to avoid answering a question already raised. It's 'raise' the question blah blah.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to this(I know, it's in wide usage that way, but it's fingernails on the blackboard for me.)
The major reason why the discount before tax is superior to the tax before discount, is not related to the amount paid by the customer, but rather the amount of tax going to the government coffers. If you wish to optimise both your own out of pocket expenses and reduction in the harm that all governments do with their funding, then you should always insist on the discount before that tax. Note that this also means less overall cost for the vendor, which is why the vendor should also insist on this method.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAfter I read "1984" which I love to reference I had to go back to this very thing itself. I put the book down and thought "I can just use my fingers to add but what about multiplying?" and then I thought about 2 groups of 4. And then to add them all up. Sometimes we take our knowledge for granted!
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYou didn't have to go so exotic to find a place where "seven threes are twenty one". This is how we recited it in the good ol' UK 60 years ago.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAnd you also didn't have to go quite so exotic with the example from quantum mechanics, because vector algebra is not always commutative. We also had that in pre-college maths in those days.
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Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisGood remembering! In Ontario Canada, I experienced the same two items that you reported also about 60 years ago. IMO, the new ways of teach arithmetic and later beginning math are not better than those old ways, which I enjoyed so much that I became a math prof for a while in my life.
In addition, the Montessori method uses physical objects to see constructs like that dot pictures above in order to understand better what is going on.
With respect to the Traditional vs Roth IRAs example, the reader should be careful. The commutative law applies in considering whether to convert a Traditional to a Roth, but not whether to invest pre-tax income. In the latter case, the investor earns an additional return on the tax that is saved [minus the tax on that return] by selecting the Traditional.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisOther factors can be critical. In deciding whether to convert from a Traditional to a Roth, a [I believe it is the] major consideration is that, if the investment in the Roth turns out badly, it can be recharacterized and the tax paid on the conversion can be recouped. The option to recharacterize creates a win / win situation in many common circumstances.
While questioning the utility of the standard definition of multiplication, this article appears to accept its accuracy. As reflected by the usage in the article, the standard definition of multiplication is usually something to the effect that multiplication is the process of adding a number to itself a certain number of times, as in the references collected in Section C.2 of the Times Higher/Times Greater subpage of the Vignettes page of jpscanlan.com:
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As explained in that section, however, the definition is plainly incorrect. Multiplying a times b involves either (1) adding a to zero b times or (2) adding a to itself b-1 times.
The interesting thing reflected by the questions posed in this article – “Does ‘seven times three’ mean ‘seven added to itself three times’? Or ‘three added to itself seven times’?” – is that the two processes in fact yield different results. The former yields 28; the latter yields 24. Neither, however, is the correct result of multiplying either 7 by 3 or 3 by 7.
Put another way, with respect to the observation “Is this commutative law of multiplication, a × b = b × a, really so obvious?,” it could be said that, whether obvious or not, according to the standard definition of multiplication it is incorrect. According to that definition, a x b = ab+a, while b x a equals ab+b.