Double-Star Systems May Hide a Third Companion

Scientists speculate that an energetic "kick" could boot a star out of orbit and drive the remaining pair closer together


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The third star is key to the ejection, Reipurth explained.

"It's a fact of nature that, if you have two bodies alone, then they move in a completely deterministic way — it's possible to say exactly where they will be later on in their orbits," he said. "As soon as you put a third body in there, the system becomes completely chaotic."

Two bodies together will simply orbit one another, if not otherwise interrupted. But the third body creates a "kick" that eventually results in the ejection of one of the stars to a distant orbit.

Over the course of several months, Reipurth and Mikkola ran over 180,000 simulations of triple systems that would evolve into wide binaries. They found that more than ten percent of the triple systems ended up with stars spread thousands or tens of thousands of astronomical units from each other, a number that agrees with observations.

"We were surprised to see how well the results agreed with the observations," Mikkola wrote in an email. "Getting the 'right' answer did not require any adjustments of the model."

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  1. 1. rloldershaw 09:09 PM 12/6/12


    If astrophysicists could just free their minds from the Laplacian cloud collapse model for the formation of stellar systems, and recognize the naturalness and usefulness of capture models, then they would be able to explain:

    1. Wide binaries,
    2. Hot Jupiter exoplanet systems,
    3. Exoplanet systems with retrograde planets,
    4. Exoplanet systems with high eccentricity planets,
    etc., etc., ...,

    in a simpl,e and less ad hoc, and less credibility-straining manner.

    Capture/ejection is how atomic systems are known to form/ionize, and Discrete Scale Relativity unequivocally states that the morphology and dynamics of atoms and molecules in highly excited states are exactly self-similar to exoplanet systems and wide binaries, respectively.

    An intellectual revolution is sorely needed in theoretical physics, and has been sorely needed for 40 years!

    Robert L. Oldershaw
    Discrete Scale Relativity
    http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw

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  2. 2. jtdwyer in reply to rloldershaw 07:05 AM 12/7/12

    "... the morphology and dynamics of atoms and molecules in highly excited states are exactly self-similar to exoplanet systems and wide binaries, respectively."

    Pray tell, what, exactly, is the self-similar atomic scale protoplanetary disk? If molecules are exactly similar to wide binaries (how can they both be self-similar?), what atomic phenomena represents close binaries? Do double nuclei atoms exist? Do electrons have moons? Sorry for being so direct...

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  3. 3. rloldershaw 10:54 AM 12/7/12


    I would recommend that jtdwyer should combat his overt lack of understanding when it comes to Discrete Scale Relativity (aka the Self-Similar Cosmological Paradigm) by spending enough time at:

    http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw

    to comprehend this new and highly unfied model for physics at all scales. The answers to his questions, and far more, are readily available for who have more then 10 minutes to devote to understanding the cosmos in a new way.

    Regarding the subject of this thread, consider the following.

    1. Sumi et al (Nature, 19 May 2011) published solid evidence for trillions of unbound planetary-mass objects roaming throughout our Galaxy.

    2. Helmut A. Abt, a highly respected astrophysicist and former editor of the Astrophysical Journal, presented a paper at the most recent AAAS meeting in Alaska that concluded that many exoplanet and multi-star systems MUST be the result of capture processes. It is virtualy inevitable mathematically.

    The capture model is poised for a major comeback in astrophysics, and this enhances evidence for self-similarity between atomic and stellar systems.

    Ignore barking dogs. There are exciting new ideas available to those who really want to understand the cosmos, rather that Platonic pseudo-science, and are willing to put some time into their studies of these new ideas.

    Discrete Scale Relativity would be a good place to start, since it does for physics what Darwinian Evolution did for biology - provide a unifying framework for the whole field.

    Robert L. Oldershaw
    Discrete Self-Similar (Fractal) Cosmology

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  4. 4. vinodkumarsehgal 11:17 AM 12/7/12

    If a wide binary can evolve out of a triplet star system formed from the collapse of common gas cloud , it could also evolve from a quadrulet star system formed from common cloud of gas. If a gas cloud can collapse into a triplet star system, what will prevent a dense gas cloud to collapse into star system having multi star system with 4 or more than 4 stars in the common system. These muti star system may ultimately transform to multi close or wide binary star system

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  5. 5. jtdwyer in reply to rloldershaw 02:41 PM 12/7/12

    Too bad you didn't have 5 minutes to directly answer any of this "barking dog's" questions - or perhaps you couldn't...

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  6. 6. jtdwyer 02:51 PM 12/7/12

    Close binaries would seem to have likely been formed from a single cloud's accretion event. Wider gravitational couplings might occur in a wide variety conditions. Demonstrating one process that could produce relatively distant gravitational couplings between stars does not necessarily exclude the possibility that perhaps many other methods also produce similar gravitational bindings.

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  7. 7. Wayne Williamson 04:46 PM 12/7/12

    I'm pretty sure there was an article in SA(within the last couple of years) that showed(suggested) that the siblings of the sun are now spread over many thousands of light years. Just because they are formed in the same "cloud" doesn't mean they are now located next to each other. Which to me also means the opposite...that stars formed in distant clouds might be gravitationally captured if they pass close enough to each other...millions if not billions of years later..

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  8. 8. vinodkumarsehgal 09:31 AM 12/8/12

    Astronomers estimate 200-400 billion stars in MW galaxy alone. How could such a large nos. of stars have formed from the collapse of a single gas cloud?

    There seem to have following possibilities :

    i) A large gas cloud might have split itself into smaller chunks of gas clouds. ( But why and how?). Each smaller gas cloud might have collapsed into one or two ( binary) or even triplet star system, as the article suggest. These stars might have remained gravitational linked in close binary system.

    ii) A verylarge cloud might have collapsed into a large nos. of stars, may be thousands or even millions. Initially, these stars might have remained gravitational linked. However, in due course, due to internal gravitational dynamic process, these stars might have gone astray from each other and became gravitationally decoupled. I visualize the above process akin to collapse of a water cloud wherein cloud burst out and collapses into a large nos. of water droplets which initially are close to each other but after some time go astray from each other.

    Nevertheless the above models of stars formation, it is only speculation. What is the exact process, I think, even astronomers don't know with certainty.

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