Emission Impossible?: Is Dark Matter Behind the Hazy Radiation at the Milky Way's Center?

Some unknown astrophysical process, perhaps related to dark matter, may be at work















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STRANGE HAZE: Sky maps obtained by NASA's Fermi Gamma-Ray Space Telescope show a peculiar haze when ordinary gamma-ray sources are subtracted. (The map shown here has not been source-filtered and is presented for illustration.) Image: NASA/DOE/International LAT Team

A haze of radiation at the heart of the Milky Way Galaxy that appears in sky maps taken by two spacecraft at two different wavelengths likely results from a population of high-energy electrons, according to a new analysis of gamma rays in the galaxy. Curiously, some researchers maintain, those electrons are not readily explained by known astrophysical processes—and work is under way to determine if dark matter particles might be responsible.

Dark matter is a hypothesized material that pervades the universe but does not interact with light in a way that we can perceive. Current estimates rate dark matter as being roughly five times as prevalent as ordinary matter—the atoms and molecules that make up the familiar physical world. To date, dark matter has been observed only indirectly via its gravitational effects, but its true nature remains a mystery.

A paper posted to the physics preprint Web site arXiv.org on October 26 and submitted to the Astrophysical Journal points to a possible signature of dark matter in the Milky Way, although the study's authors are careful to keep their observations empirical and table such speculation—for the moment, at least.

In 2003 Douglas Finkbeiner, an astronomer at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, noticed a diffuse haze toward the center of the galaxy in microwave data collected by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP). There are only a handful of processes that yield microwaves in the interstellar medium, Finkbeiner explains, and when he subtracted templates for those processes from the WMAP data, something curious remained. "If our model [for microwave production] were correct, we would have random noise left over," Finkbeiner says. "Instead, we see a pattern, an excess of microwaves in the inner galaxy."

He and his colleagues figured that the microwaves were synchrotron emission: photons emitted by electrons accelerated by the galaxy's magnetic field. But the energy spectrum of the electrons was not readily accounted for by conventional sources in the inner galaxy—for instance, electrons originating from supernovae explosions. So, a popular model for dark matter, in which the dark particles would annihilate each other on contact in a burst of observable particles, including electrons, seemed instead to fit the bill.

The high-energy electrons suspected as the progenitors of the WMAP haze should produce a similar haze in the gamma-ray regime, Finkbeiner and his colleagues predicted. "We would expect that those same electrons that are spiraling around the galactic magnetic field will once in a while hit a photon coming from a star or something like that," says Gregory Dobler, a postdoctoral researcher at the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and lead author of the new arXiv study. Such electrons can bump up optical or infrared photons to gamma-ray energies, Dobler notes, where they could be detected by NASA's Fermi Gamma-Ray Space Telescope.



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  1. 1. kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com 01:44 PM 11/3/09

    Its known that their is a black hole at the center of the milkyway galaxy, Its also known that blackholes do emit electromagnetic radiation.Now the basic unit of electromagnetic radiation is a photon.Its known that photons can disintegrate in to electrons and positrons under certain conditions. could the excess electrons be a result of that radiation,since their is a black hole near by their theories which explain what happens to positrons near a black hole leaving an excess of electrons. No dark matter is needed. kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com

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  2. 2. rockjohny 02:49 PM 11/3/09

    So this energy doesn't come from matter that makes up the physical universe? I wonder if this could have any connection with the spirit realm. God made Heaven and spirit creatures before he made 'physical' things as we know them. Scientists already know that the laws of physics allow for other dimensions but of course, there would be an avalanche of criticism to befall one who tries to tie these 'other dimensions' to anything 'spiritual'.
    It's interesting that the amount of 'dark energy' dwarfs the amount of light energy. Oh well, it's fun to speculate.

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  3. 3. nfiertel 03:41 PM 11/3/09

    What kind of loony bin stuff is this about God made heaven and spirit creatures before he made physical things as we know them...say what? Go thee to a divinity site and leave science to rational folks, please....rockjohnny go far, far away to a distant world where you can meet your kind of spiritualists..

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  4. 4. RDH 03:50 PM 11/3/09

    Is this "haze" a result of space-time fluctuations on the Planck scale caused by the massive black hole thought to be at the center of the galaxy? Is the radiation source the black hole and the radiation being either Hawking radiation or the results of Hawking radiation colliding with particles falling towards the black hole (or both)?

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  5. 5. rlb2 05:40 PM 11/3/09

    It is as simple as this, the more dense matter is the less likely you are to see through it and the more likely something is going to bump into something else.

    The closer to the galactic center the faster objects are moving relative to galaxies center of gravity. Our sun is in the spiral arm so we are 26,000 light years away from the center of the Milky Way but the sun is still moving at just about 251 km/s, approximately 185 thousand miles an hour, around the center of the galaxy and 20 km/s relative to average velocity of other stars in its stellar neighborhood . The vacuum of space isn't really a perfect vacuum, there are things in it, the more compact the center of our galaxy is the more mass that resides there, the more likely that things would start bumping into each other.

    A massive black holes are said to be at the center of our galaxy that shreds matter into the smallest fundamental particles before entering the event horizon. The ergosphere is an oblate spheroid region outside of the event horizon, where objects cannot remain stationary so they are more apt to bump into each other at very high velocities, that would emit high velocity electrons and gamma rays.

    We have nebulas, star forming clouds of dust all over our galaxy, the closer to the center of the galaxy the denser it is the more nebulas should be found. In fact our suns forming nebula 4.5 billion years ago is said to have as many as 1,000 stars form in an area of only 10 light years apart, because we are out in the bandeaux today we have only 10 stars that close. Nebulas is a place where we should also find energetic high energy electrons during the star formation stage.

    And finally we have just notice at the edge of our own solar system where the solar wind ends and the interstellar wind takes over bright band of surprising high-energy emissions in a cloud like form from the interaction of the solar wind and the stellar wind. As a result the more compact the space is between stars relative to each other there will be more of this effect going on...

    "In the murky boundary between our solar system and the rest of the galaxy, scientists have spotted a bright band of surprising high-energy emissions."

    www.space.com/scienceastronomy/091015-space-bubble.html

    Now if these high energy emissions are proved to be caused by the interaction with dark matter with the solar wind then the above article could have more of a leg to stand on....


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  6. 6. rlb2 05:51 PM 11/3/09

    It could be as simple as this. The more dense matter is the less likely you are to see through it and the more likely something is going to bump into something else.

    The closer to the galactic center the faster objects are moving relative to galaxies center of gravity. Our sun is in the spiral arm so we are 26,000 light years away from the center of the Milky Way but the sun is still moving at just about 251 km/s, approximately 185 thousand miles an hour, around the center of the galaxy and 20 km/s relative to average velocity of other stars in its stellar neighborhood . The vacuum of space isn't really a perfect vacuum, there are things in it, the more compact the center of our galaxy is the more mass that resides there, the more likely that things would start bumping into each other.

    A massive black holes are said to be at the center of our galaxy that shreds matter into the smallest fundamental particles before entering the event horizon. The ergosphere is an oblate spheroid region outside of the event horizon, where objects cannot remain stationary so they are more apt to bump into each other at very high velocities, that would emit high velocity electrons and gamma rays.

    We have nebulas, star forming clouds of dust all over our galaxy, the closer to the center of the galaxy the denser it is the more nebulas should be found. In fact our suns forming nebula 4.5 billion years ago is said to have as many as 1,000 stars form in an area of only 10 light years apart, because we are out in the bandeaux today we have only 10 stars that close. Nebulas is a place where we should also find energetic high energy electrons during the star formation stage.

    And finally we have just notice at the edge of our own solar system where the solar wind ends and the interstellar wind takes over bright band of surprising high-energy emissions in a cloud like form from the interaction of the solar wind and the stellar wind. As a result the more compact the space is between stars relative to each other there will be more of this effect going on...

    www.space.com/scienceastronomy/091015-space-bubble.html

    Now if these high energy emissions are proved to be caused by the interaction with dark matter with the solar wind then the above article could have more of a leg to stand on....

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  7. 7. goneskyfishing 07:28 PM 11/3/09

    There is a primary medium that all energy and matter manifest from and electromagnetic radiation propagates in. It could be considered the classical ether, but it is more than that. It is the source of the entire universe we observe, yet it is undetectable except by it's gravitational influence and creates the quantum pressure that is driving the expansion of the universe and is also responsible for gravity as we observe it. It is the dimension of time, the quantum probability ocean, and subatomic particles spontaneously appear and disappear into it. It is also responsible for quantum tunneling and entanglement as a superluminal medium. It is also what the ancient Hindus called Brahman.
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  9. 9. harveyjames in reply to kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com 11:08 AM 11/4/09

    @kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com Your statements were mostly correct, and the photon that is "emitted" from the black hole is a polarized x-ray photon. These have a very small wavelength (10 to .01 nm) and in calculation can be assumed that they travel in straight lines. These can be detected here on earth but you would have to be outside our atmosphere. The phenomenon you were thinking of is known as an electron avalanche and is one of the basic principles on how X-Ray detectors work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_counter). This being noted, these X-Ray photons must come from somewhere and still follow conservation laws.

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  10. 10. Panthera Atrox 05:52 PM 11/4/09

    Maybe all dark matter is the very fabric of existence of matter itself. Without it would anything exist? Would matter form?

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  11. 11. jtdwyer in reply to kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com 01:07 AM 11/5/09

    Exactly what I thought – well put! Most likely some of the biproducts of ‘ingesting’ mass.

    All requirements for Dark matter may dissipate when astrophysicists learn how to correctly estimate the gravitational affects of non-spherically symmetrical aggregations of massive objects and irregular clouds of gaseous masses.

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  14. 14. kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com 10:27 AM 11/5/09

    @harveyjames thanks alot for your comment i agree with you 100%. I never even knew that there was a term for that phenomenon.

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  15. 15. kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com 10:30 AM 11/5/09

    @harveyjames Thanks alot for your comment, i agree with you 100%.I never even knew there was a term for this phenomenon.

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  16. 16. kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com 10:32 AM 11/5/09

    Members should look at this link please

    http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Black_Holes_Produce_The_Most_Energetic_Cosmic_Radiation_999.html

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  22. 22. Michael Cook 06:53 PM 11/5/09

    At several levels we are asked nowadays to believe in things not seen. We are asked (in fact commanded, because it is that important a proposition to the scientific establishment) to believe that the actual universe is much bigger than the visible universe. If that were not so, then we would be in the uncomfortable position of having to conclude that the Earth is very close to the center of the universe and probably the initial big bang.

    Now, we have also to believe in dark matter, or else we can't explain sigma, the excessive speed with which the outer stars of our galaxy rotate, plus maybe some effects between galaxies.

    Most recently, we have to assume dark energy, which is needed to make the expansion of the universe accelerate. I don't like assuming any phenomenon that can't be detected is real, but just to be contrary I am going to propose that the universe beyond the visible part is anti-isotropically much more dense than the visible part that we see.

    My argument is that this outer density is consistent with the fact that the further we look, the further we see back into time. Now, we know that extremely early in time things were very, very dense. Admittedly, if my theory is right things have somehow turned inside out, and from our present vantage we now see the density of the very early universe as concentrated not at a tiny, tiny, tiny little point, but rather as concentrated in a huge impossibly ancient sphere that completely surrounds our visible universe.

    The gravitational attraction of this huge primordial sphere explains the accelerated expansion without resort to Dark Energy. We are still stuck with Dark Matter but I can't solve every problem in one rainy afternoon.

    This is one of those ideas which is so strange as to possibly be correct.

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  23. 23. eddierleram 07:26 PM 11/5/09

    Lack of information is again evident. The center of the galaxy? Okay, but a straight line cannot have all of its parts at the galaxy's center, unless it is a very small straight line. Perhaps the line is an edge on view of a circle? How is it that more info can't come with the report of finding the item, such as is the straight line perpendicular to the galaxy's north and south poles, or does it spear through, or towards the polar areas? And if it is perpendicular to the axis, then are its ends pointing towards a pair of the galaxy arms?

    Then the comparison of the galaxy straight line to that one found at the Sun's heliosphere: The Sun has sets of induced energy poking out perpendicularly from the star's axis core fusion reactor sites; and which Magnetic Field Lines first interact with three other systems in and near the Sun before spearing out along the solar plain. The MFL are an on/off energy as is an alternating current. Therefore, there is not much of a build-up of positive energied protons magnetically bound to the induced energy lines as opposed to a direct current conductor line, which situation makes it very difficult to record their existences.

    Because a MFL with even small amounts of proton particles magnetically attached, and once the extending MFL reaches out far from the star, it is impossible for the line and its material to remain perpendicular from the star. That is because by the time each MFL reached out as far as its induced power could push the energy to, its speed would be faster than the speed of... well, almost anyway. So; like galaxy arms; those from the Sun bend backwards as they progress out to the termination shock zone at the Sun's heliosphere.

    So, the termination shock zone's material is the same stuff as can be seen around the pulsar neutron star Vela, otherwise known as The Crossbow, and that is proton particles magnetically adhered onto the vibrating, Standing Magnetic Waves. So, when the AC lines from the solar plain meet with the sphere of energy direct from the star's extended out Coronal Axis, then with a difference of energy there are arcing points upon contact.

    Looking again to a galaxy that has more than two arms, each of its arms have the same brand of MFL, only a tad larger.

    So, if the galaxy line is actually a circle, then it is at the same point of distance from it core axis as is the one around our star, that is figuring a longer distance for the galaxy ring for the size difference. That is the same as comparing a tonka-toy tire to a ferris wheel's rim.

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  24. 24. Wayne Williamson 07:30 PM 11/5/09

    just a thought...what if the "dark matter" is electrons left over from the big bang?

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  25. 25. eddierleram 08:17 PM 11/5/09

    So far, Dark Matter and Dark energy have not a positive shred of proof for their supposed existences. When the universe's material jetted into the space for the 380,000 year long trip, in short moments after that quarks and the other tiny items grouped into electrons and protons, which was practically all that could be in that white hot jet of ionized liquid plasma. So that means that interactions of the protons created swirls of plasma, C/W di-polar Lines of Force; a negative energy. Protons being a positive energy would magnetically attach to the LF, which would LF become coated with conductive protons, thus altering the LF to a Magnetic Field Line conductor. Without a moment lost the MFL would have circles of Electromagnetic rings around the MFL. Each di-polar swirl of plasma would create their own EM circle around the conductor. Each would be the same magnetic polarity and so would repel, but each also has a North negative face and a South positive face. As electrons and groupings of electrons always seek out more energy, then the positive face leads the way, while the negative face on the conductor follows and attracts the following electron or electron grouping,' positive face.

    That push pull effect is asymptotic freedom, wich sucks the too negative and positive faces together from far away, while the repelling effect becomes stronger the closer the like polaritied items come. So, if you can see those magnetic coated donuts of separate energy being held in close proximity around their common conductor system, then you have a vision of a part of a collimated stream, but this one is very large because it holds a good portion of the universe's incoming material as it is pushed along the conductor by more material and magnetic toroids, or donuts. So far the darks are absent.

    Go to the proto star Herbig-Haro 34, the 'Waterfall'. Down and to left is a collimated stream C/W donut segments. Out front are several energy depleted and jetted away donuts, which in the univers stream would be heading to the Big Bang site. Still no darks.

    After the big bang, no more liquid plasma only tenuous plasma, which takes up much more room and also have EM circles of donuts, universe wide big circles.

    When the big circles finally run out of room, nothing then holds in the galaxies and clusters. They have their own EM systems, so while galaxies separate ther material remains as a unit. Still no darks, but the universe is expanding. If a reader can smack a cosmologist to sit and read this, I would appreciate contact. Eddie R

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  26. 26. Quinn the Eskimo 03:04 AM 11/6/09

    I dunno. But, did anyone clean the lens on the telescope lately?

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  27. 27. Michael Cook 11:54 PM 11/6/09

    Well, we think dark matter exists outside the perimeter of the visible matter of a galaxy, and now we suspect that it must be in the interior as well. We also know that the sigma relation of the speed of outermost suns in a galaxy must relate to the size of the Black Hole in the center of a galaxy, although in a causal sense these phenomena seem unrelated.

    So what is up? Methinks there is a problem with Einstein's general relativity fornula on the bigger scales. . .

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  28. 28. Dr.J.Varma 09:47 AM 11/10/09

    dark matter is there because there is some gravitational effect.It does not interact with electromagnetic radiations. can it itereact with charged particles? Gravitational interaction should not produce em raditions. One should look for radiations from electrons moving in the magnetic feild in the galaxie.

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  29. 29. Dr.J.Varma 09:47 AM 11/10/09

    dark matter is there because there is some gravitational effect.It does not interact with electromagnetic radiations. can it itereact with charged particles? Gravitational interaction should not produce em raditions. One should look for radiations from electrons moving in the magnetic feild in the galaxie.

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  30. 30. Michael Cook 10:24 AM 11/10/09

    Interesting post, Eddie R, alas, I have no cosmologist within arm's reach

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  31. 31. Weir 12:47 AM 11/12/09

    Current theories of astrophysics and cosmology assume a spacetime continuum which Einstein himself questioned late in life in which case, quote: …my entire castle in the sky amounts to nothing but so does the rest of modern physics.

    In a discontinuous universe a different methodology presents itself which complements traditional approaches to the empirical evidence. Space and time are implicitly defined a posteriori by the synchronous projection of atoms as structurally independent space-frames in a cosmic holographic movie. There is no real justification for raising space-time to a priori status to explain creation. Space and time are quantized by the synchronous projection of atomic matter. There is no other universal measuring rod out there. That is why light speed is universal and why it comes in discrete pulses consistent with the Planck constant. Where there is no light there is a black hole.

    EM radiation is the only activity in each still space frame. Relative motions occur as quantum jumps in relative position between space frames. The integrated fabric of space-time becomes warped by relative motions which introduce synchronous space-frame skipping and quantum-frame accumulation consistent with relativity effects and also with the empirical foundations of quantum theory. This requires that inertial velocity is distinct from gravitational mass as demonstrated by Foucaults pendulum. This means that matter in patterns of cyclic motion is not totally at the mercy of Gravity. A spinning top does not fall over. The missing mass is accounted for by space-frame skipping and related quantum frame accumulation. Gravity is associated with the universally synchronous projection of atomic matter.

    This offers alternate mechanisms for galactic dynamics, stellar creation and migration. Website articles freely available at www.cosmic-mindreach.com explore this new methodology consistent with the empirical evidence. The article Gravity, Quantum Relativity & System 3 introduces a method of Historic Coordinates to derive the Lorentz Transformations in a direct transparent way. See the related website article on Cosmology & System.

    In a discontinuous universe synchrotron radiation is an expected phenomenon resulting from the need for EM radiation to span skipped space-frame sequences associated with the acceleration of matter around an accretion disc. There is no need to introduce hypothetical dark matter.

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  32. 32. kilingtonskier 07:31 PM 11/12/09

    Maybe dark matter is just accumulated debris that no longer interacts allowing for no electromagnetic activity, becoming a gravity-like manifestation. occupying space without being detected.

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  33. 33. kilingtonskier in reply to nfiertel 01:41 PM 11/14/09

    God --that's me "Great Other Dad" (to my 2 step daughters).
    And the fact is --Man is God--Man made him (or her) up, Man created love, compassion, caring, something the universe was without till we came along. The invisible "God" has watched over one outrageous conflict after another, with no remorse that I can document. Mankind has been blessed with the capacity to overcome the indifference of what many claim God created.

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  34. 34. kilingtonskier 01:46 PM 11/14/09

    Maybe dark matter is debris left from the annihilation of matter, removing the electromagnetic force, leaving it as an unseen, measurable, force much like gravity.

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  35. 35. Weir 09:06 PM 11/14/09

    Einstein invented the spacetime continuum and now we have the invention of the annihilation of matter that leaves a debris of matter without electromagnetism. Hmm... I wonder how that works? Where do all the electrons and protons that contitute matter go?

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  36. 36. verdai 08:23 PM 11/15/09

    well, yes we need better pictures if the author says such.

    this field Is fluctuating.

    what a haze of gamma rays may mean -

    who knows just what produces what, and when? why pretend to?

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  37. 37. Weir 02:23 AM 11/16/09

    If man created love, compassion etc this must mean that man created values. Values must be purely subjective arbitrary things that are a matter of opinion then. But truth is a value. If truth is also arbitrary then it must be true that there is no such a thing as universal truth that transcends our birth and death. Isn't there a contradiction in terms there somewhere? What we seek is universal truth that must transcend our personal birth and death if it is to be universally true. There must also be some way to confirm truth in direct phenomenal experience of some kind in either the public or private domain or both. Where does that leave dark matter if it can not be confirmed? Is it just another arbitrary invention of the human imagination working overtime?

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  38. 38. kilingtonskier in reply to Michael Cook 10:26 AM 11/16/09

    I'm about to pour a coffee to dip Eddie R's donuts in---maybe it will clear them up a bit as I try to fathom this with a re-read over my coffee and donuts.

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  39. 39. kilingtonskier in reply to Weir 10:49 AM 11/16/09

    Death is a universal truth. All the other stuff is what the Human mind has conjured up during the long trial and error development of life and our consequent appearance on this planet . Truth is not universal unto itself. Your "Truth" is not my "truth" The fact that u say there "Must be" belies evidence for an absolute truth that transcends our birth and Death. The fact is--we no longer exist when we die--that is my truth.
    What I do here on Earth depends on how I have been programmed internally and externally with an enormous variance of responses that can and do occur within our chemical make up. We cannot confirm dark matter at this time. But we also can probably never confirm how all this stuff became. But we have conjured up a pretty good theory. It is painfully mind boggling to think that what ever the big bang blew up in was not there or had to be there (much like your God--forever and ever, never to have been born. It is so much easier to believe in a God--it sure simplifies things for some people. "Poof! God made me" (and everything else)!

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  40. 40. Weir 12:03 AM 11/17/09

    With respect Killingtonskier, you must believe that your truth that you cease to exist when you die is true of everyone who has ever lived anywhere in the universe. You must believe that if you face total psychic annihilation at death that everyone else must also. You must believe that this truth that you hold dear is universally true. I doubt that you can seriously believe that you alone are the only one who will cease to exist in any possible sense when you die. I doubt that you believe that if others believe they will not die totally that they will not do so, or surely you would believe so also. Why would you choose psychic annihilation if it just a matter of choice? This has nothing to do with a blind belief or disbelief in God.

    Truth is not like that. By its nature we believe it to transcend birth and death even if we believe that we do not transcend birth and death as real beings. There is a contradiction here that is implicit in how left-brain language works in distinction from mute right-brain intuition. The latter by its nature seeks out universals that are essential to the integration of experience as a whole. There should properly be some emotional balance between theses two sides of brain function, if we are not to be Schizoid. There is strong biological evidence for this. This does not mean that we can just decide to believe this or that, depending on how we identify with language. Language is representational, not reality in itself. We can choose to be left with the quest. We do not have to arbitrarily decide. See the article Inside Our Three Brains at www.cosmic-mindreach.com.

    When we look out at the vast universe and try to understand and explain how it works we are already seeing it as it was thousands to billions of light years ago. This surely transcends our own birth and the death of countless others. If we do succeed in understanding how it truly works this truth will be universal for us all.

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  41. 41. Jim Walpole 03:53 PM 11/18/09

    Good grief. I'd have thought that the SciAm website would be free of nutters and semi-literates. Clearly not. It's a sad day for rationality.

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  42. 42. jtdwyer 05:26 PM 11/18/09

    The existence dark matter is now often presumed, seeming to have stood the test of time, despite its having never been identified much less detected. Since it is yet unproven, critical reexamination of it hypothetical origin is warranted.

    The identified requirements for Dark Matter are a result of discrepancies between observed gravitational affects and estimates of affects based on estimated mass. This analysis indicates that it is primarily astrophysicists improper application of simple equations, intended only for discrete spherically symmetrical objects of mass, directly to relatively proximal, disperse, non-spherical aggregations of massive objects that produce these observational discrepancies.

    In the commonly used gravitation of classical mechanics, derived from planetary motions within the Solar system, Newton used his shell theorem to show that a discrete body containing a spherically symmetrical distribution of mass, specifically stars and planets, could adequately represent each of the two point-masses specified for his law of universal gravitation, an inverse square law. Representing relatively proximal non-spherically symmetrical distributions of mass, such as galaxies and other large scale aggregations of masses, as a single point-mass is mathematically invalid, producing erroneous results. If the complete instructions for using this conveniently simple equation are strictly adhered to, these disperse configurations of masses would require much more complex estimation methods, but the results would be much closer to the observed affects. Please confirm for yourself:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theorem
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law

    The standard equation generally works well for planets and stars, but at extreme proximities even their minor deviations from spherical symmetry in their distribution of mass introduce significant estimation errors, as in the case of Mercury and Venuss orbits around the Sun. Moreover, in identifying the Galaxy Rotation Problem, which generally established the Dark Matter hypothesis, the expected orbital velocity of individual stars within the galactic plane was determined based solely on the improperly estimated attraction between each subject star and the galactic bulge, just as if they were isolated planets orbiting a massive star. Unfortunately, that method completely ignored their many significant, multidirectional, actual attractions to much nearer stars within the galactic plane.

    All reports of dark matter identified by determining the gravitational affects of non-spherically symmetrical distributions of massive objects are likely erroneous and should be carefully reexamined if not disregarded. As an old information systems analyst, Id have hoped that professional peer review would have identified these fundamental errors several decades ago, long before pursuit of the dark matter hypothesis had consumed so many of the resources of astronomy, physics and cosmology and directed their development.

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  43. 43. Ganymede6642 07:06 PM 11/18/09

    If there is an axial magnetic field inside the event horizon of the so-called 'black hole' at the center of our galaxy which is greater than the gravitational field, then in principle the object could be both a black hole to photons and a white hole to charged particles such as electrons, with conversion of squeezed photons back into matter in a neat recycling process that could be important in the processes of galactic evolution. So dark matter may not need to be invoked for this effect.

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  44. 44. jtdwyer 06:58 PM 11/23/09

    This is just a stupid joke, so please, don’t anyone take this personally:

    With the continuing attribution of new observational evidence to the presence of Dark Matter, astrophysicists have now proven that the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity…

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  45. 45. Woy in reply to kasuleconcepter@yahoo.com 01:57 AM 11/26/09

    Why black hole absorb all the positrons and leave electrons?

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  46. 46. eddierleram 12:30 AM 12/8/09

    To me, the article is unclear as to, is the center a center line through the core? From pole to pole? Through the equator? Is it a circle around the galaxy equator, or at a discrete distance???
    By the image, it appears to be either a collimated stream, which is an electron construct, and which would have surrounds of magnetics, or is it a circle much like the bright circle discovered recently at our star’s equatorial portion of the heliosphere, and which glows because of the energy arriving from our star along its solar plane and arcing with the energy that emits in opposed directions from each of our star’s polar areas and loops out and back down to meet at the area where the solar plane interacts. The connections arc, because both energies are out of frequency with each other.
    While the energies all come from the radiative zone’s 16 reaction toroids, the solar plane set first leave the reactors on upward paths to be induced to the dynamos with the qualifications of the induction system. From there, the energy is induced up to energize the chromosphere’s magnetic cap, and then to energize the sites that create the polarity reversals in the corona, before spiraling off to meet the EM-FL from the opposed polar faces at the heliosphere.
    Those opposed EM-FL are the star’s Coronal Axis at which points a proto-star ejects its reactor’s effluent in jetted out collimated streams. The reason of their being the jetting away of effluent, points, is because those opposed points are the only non-magnetically and electromagnetically, horizontal reinforced sites in the convection zone. Every other square inch of space has either the 16 dynamos, or their 16 loops of EM-FL and their toroids of magnetics, within which ionized protons are trapped.
    The combination of the energized magnetic toroids C/W captured and trapped positive energied protons, are a device that is much stronger than any other system in the universe.
    So, because all magnetic heavenly bodies use Mother Nature’s devices of EM-FL, magnetic toroids, repulsion of like magnetic energied items and attraction of unlike energied magnetic items, asymptotic freedom which has a long distance but weak force at a distance and a very, very strong repelling force at very close distances, and the ponderomotive force of electrons speeding away from their helium atom’s other particals, and which electrons drag the particals along to the extent of the supplied fusion reaction forces; then all have the potential to exhibit the same properties results: Galaxies included.

    The Ancient One-Eddie R.

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  47. 47. debu 07:19 AM 1/3/10

    Please read my balloon inside balloon theory and theory of gravitoethertons.

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  48. 48. mycle 10:51 AM 5/5/10

    We are going to talk about something which we can not see, but everybody including scientists know that it is there. CERN ( European Organization for Nuclear Research ) have designed a huge Large Hadrons Collider (LHC) machine to discover the dark matter as it can not be seen with naked eye or with highly powered telescope. Even it can not be detected by any instrument as the dark matter does not radiate electromagnetic radiation. The dark matter is hallow and weakly react with any other matter . So it is very difficult to detect and only detected through its gravitational effect.

    Then what it is made of ? Some scientist suggest that dark matter is made of super partner of nucleons. Super partners are the supersymmetric particle of any particle.

    But then why the dark particles are required at all ? The problem is the total mass of the Universe calculated in some of the theory of expanding universe, shows that mass of the common matters is only 5 % of the total mass of the universe. Hence the remaining 95% mass is of the dark matter. Common mass we know comes from the proton, neutron and electron which are further made of quarks and Higgs Bosons.

    All these are scientific explanations. Now let us come to real life. Dark matter is like Goddess Kali( Dark Mother) who is also dark and stands over and above the Lord Shiva wearing a garland of corpse of humans . We have to understand what it signify ? Let us say Lord Shiva ( Mahakal) is the time and his wife Sati is the space. Sati is the space because from the parts of her dead body the peethsthan ( space) is generated. So the Shiva-parbati means space-time and when the time (Shiva) in sleeping mode it is the dark matter ( Kali) in dominace. According to some followers of Shaivism, corpse of humans in the garlands wear by Dark Mother is the 50 alphabets of Sanskrit language.

    On the other hand , to make a time machine we need some exotic material. What is that ? It is the dark matter. How to make a dark matter that is the question.


    In these book, an effort has been made create the dark matter. It is proposed that Dark matter can be made by thinking only and dark matter is nothing but the alphabets we use in words we speak. They are having ultra light mass . They are hollow and they neither radiate nor act with any other matter. So they are the suitable candidate for being a unseen dark matter. To make them detectable by their gravitational effect, their mass can be concentrated by only thinking more and more, thereby generating more and more. Whatsoever less weight they may be having, but nobody has counted how many million, gega, penta alphabets are being produced and used in the universe by animals ,humans or by others. It seems very abstract to think like this, but some this type of abstract things only count for the universe we live.







    One of the candidate for dark matter is the DAEMON ( Dark Electric Matter Object). It is a micro blackhole. Its mass is planks mass= 2x10-5 g .From this figure we can estimate the proposed mass of alphabets. Artificial black holes created from Bose Einstein condensation. In fact it is proposed that consonants of the alphabets are of the type of artificial blackholes made of Bose-Einstein condensation and vowels of the alphabets are the supersymmitric partners of photon, graviton and neucleons.

    Another subject we, have to take into account is the extra dimension. There are dimensions over and above the four dimensions (space-time) we see. As per the superstring theory we need at least ten dimensions to explain the real world. Some of the scientist say eleven dimensions are needed. Four dimension spacetime we know and we can visualize, what have been stated as Shiva-Parbati earlier. But how to make an ten or twelve dimensional spacetime ?
    An attempt has been made to construct , a ten dimensional matrix including the four dimensional Einstein spacetime. That is actualy a s-matrix ( adhyatya) for which output is the actual universe ( adidyaba ). If the elements of the s-matrix is known then we can find out the input ( adibhut). If Elements of Riemann spacetime matrix and Einstein space time can be represented by some words then we can make a theory of everything with help of this s-matrix. In this spacetime there will be blackholes and wormholes. If the words are suitable arranged we can make a time machine with the help of this wormhole and time travel to other universe is possible.

    As per the theory of Lisa Randall , the gravitational force which is very less in four dimensions compare to electromagnetic and nuclear forces become stronger in higher than four dimensions . So we may propose that dark matter will be more stronger and detectable in higher than four dimensions.

    By

    Madhusudan Ray


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  49. 49. Madhusudan Ray 06:35 AM 5/8/10

    We are going to talk about something which we can not see, but everybody including scientists know that it is there. CERN ( European Organization for Nuclear Research ) have designed a huge Large Hadrons Collider (LHC) machine to discover the dark matter as it can not be seen with naked eye or with highly powered telescope. Even it can not be detected by any instrument as the dark matter does not radiate electromagnetic radiation. The dark matter is hallow and weakly react with any other matter . So it is very difficult to detect and only detected through its gravitational effect.

    Then what it is made of ? Some scientist suggest that dark matter is made of super partner of nucleons. Super partners are the supersymmetric particle of any particle.

    But then why the dark particles are required at all ? The problem is the total mass of the Universe calculated in some of the theory of expanding universe, shows that mass of the common matters is only 5 % of the total mass of the universe. Hence the remaining 95% mass is of the dark matter. Common mass we know comes from the proton, neutron and electron which are further made of quarks and Higgs Bosons.

    All these are scientific explanations. Now let us come to real life. Dark matter is like Goddess Kali( Dark Mother) who is also dark and stands over and above the Lord Shiva wearing a garland of corpse of humans . We have to understand what it signify ? Let us say Lord Shiva ( Mahakal) is the time and his wife Sati is the space. Sati is the space because from the parts of her dead body the peethsthan ( space) is generated. So the Shiva-parbati means space-time and when the time (Shiva) in sleeping mode it is the dark matter ( Kali) in dominace. According to some followers of Shaivism, corpse of humans in the garlands wear by Dark Mother is the 50 alphabets of Sanskrit language.

    On the other hand , to make a time machine we need some exotic material. What is that ? It is the dark matter. How to make a dark matter that is the question.


    In these book, an effort has been made create the dark matter. It is proposed that Dark matter can be made by thinking only and dark matter is nothing but the alphabets we use in words we speak. They are having ultra light mass . They are hollow and they neither radiate nor act with any other matter. So they are the suitable candidate for being a unseen dark matter. To make them detectable by their gravitational effect, their mass can be concentrated by only thinking more and more, thereby generating more and more. Whatsoever less weight they may be having, but nobody has counted how many million, gega, penta alphabets are being produced and used in the universe by animals ,humans or by others. It seems very abstract to think like this, but some this type of abstract things only count for the universe we live.







    One of the candidate for dark matter is the DAEMON ( Dark Electric Matter Object). It is a micro blackhole. Its mass is planks mass= 2x10-5 g .From this figure we can estimate the proposed mass of alphabets. Artificial black holes created from Bose Einstein condensation. In fact it is proposed that consonants of the alphabets are of the type of artificial blackholes made of Bose-Einstein condensation and vowels of the alphabets are the supersymmitric partners of photon, graviton and neucleons.

    Another subject we, have to take into account is the extra dimension. There are dimensions over and above the four dimensions (space-time) we see. As per the superstring theory we need at least ten dimensions to explain the real world. Some of the scientist say eleven dimensions are needed. Four dimension spacetime we know and we can visualize, what have been stated as Shiva-Parbati earlier. But how to make an ten or twelve dimensional spacetime ?
    An attempt has been made to construct , a ten dimensional matrix including the four dimensional Einstein spacetime. That is actualy a s-matrix ( adhyatya) for which output is the actual universe ( adidyaba ). If the elements of the s-matrix is known then we can find out the input ( adibhut). If Elements of Riemann spacetime matrix and Einstein space time can be represented by some words then we can make a theory of everything with help of this s-matrix. In this spacetime there will be blackholes and wormholes. If the words are suitable arranged we can make a time machine with the help of this wormhole and time travel to other universe is possible.

    As per the theory of Lisa Randall , the gravitational force which is very less in four dimensions compare to electromagnetic and nuclear forces become stronger in higher than four dimensions . So we may propose that dark matter will be more stronger and detectable in higher than four dimensions.

    By

    Madhusudan Ray

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  50. 50. Madhusudan Ray 06:36 AM 5/8/10

    We are going to talk about something which we can not see, but everybody including scientists know that it is there. CERN ( European Organization for Nuclear Research ) have designed a huge Large Hadrons Collider (LHC) machine to discover the dark matter as it can not be seen with naked eye or with highly powered telescope. Even it can not be detected by any instrument as the dark matter does not radiate electromagnetic radiation. The dark matter is hallow and weakly react with any other matter . So it is very difficult to detect and only detected through its gravitational effect.

    Then what it is made of ? Some scientist suggest that dark matter is made of super partner of nucleons. Super partners are the supersymmetric particle of any particle.

    But then why the dark particles are required at all ? The problem is the total mass of the Universe calculated in some of the theory of expanding universe, shows that mass of the common matters is only 5 % of the total mass of the universe. Hence the remaining 95% mass is of the dark matter. Common mass we know comes from the proton, neutron and electron which are further made of quarks and Higgs Bosons.

    All these are scientific explanations. Now let us come to real life. Dark matter is like Goddess Kali( Dark Mother) who is also dark and stands over and above the Lord Shiva wearing a garland of corpse of humans . We have to understand what it signify ? Let us say Lord Shiva ( Mahakal) is the time and his wife Sati is the space. Sati is the space because from the parts of her dead body the peethsthan ( space) is generated. So the Shiva-parbati means space-time and when the time (Shiva) in sleeping mode it is the dark matter ( Kali) in dominace. According to some followers of Shaivism, corpse of humans in the garlands wear by Dark Mother is the 50 alphabets of Sanskrit language.

    On the other hand , to make a time machine we need some exotic material. What is that ? It is the dark matter. How to make a dark matter that is the question.


    In these book, an effort has been made create the dark matter. It is proposed that Dark matter can be made by thinking only and dark matter is nothing but the alphabets we use in words we speak. They are having ultra light mass . They are hollow and they neither radiate nor act with any other matter. So they are the suitable candidate for being a unseen dark matter. To make them detectable by their gravitational effect, their mass can be concentrated by only thinking more and more, thereby generating more and more. Whatsoever less weight they may be having, but nobody has counted how many million, gega, penta alphabets are being produced and used in the universe by animals ,humans or by others. It seems very abstract to think like this, but some this type of abstract things only count for the universe we live.







    One of the candidate for dark matter is the DAEMON ( Dark Electric Matter Object). It is a micro blackhole. Its mass is planks mass= 2x10-5 g .From this figure we can estimate the proposed mass of alphabets. Artificial black holes created from Bose –Einstein condensation. In fact it is proposed that consonants of the alphabets are of the type of artificial blackholes made of Bose-Einstein condensation and vowels of the alphabets are the supersymmitric partners of photon, graviton and neucleons.

    Another subject we, have to take into account is the extra dimension. There are dimensions over and above the four dimensions (space-time) we see. As per the superstring theory we need at least ten dimensions to explain the real world. Some of the scientist say eleven dimensions are needed. Four dimension spacetime we know and we can visualize, what have been stated as Shiva-Parbati earlier. But how to make an ten or twelve dimensional spacetime ?
    An attempt has been made to construct , a ten dimensional matrix including the four dimensional Einstein spacetime. That is actualy a s-matrix ( adhyatya) for which output is the actual universe ( adidyaba ). If the elements of the s-matrix is known then we can find out the input ( adibhut). If Elements of Riemann spacetime matrix and Einstein space time can be represented by some words then we can make a theory of everything with help of this s-matrix. In this spacetime there will be blackholes and wormholes. If the words are suitable arranged we can make a time machine with the help of this wormhole and time travel to other universe is possible.

    As per the theory of Lisa Randall , the gravitational force which is very less in four dimensions compare to electromagnetic and nuclear forces become stronger in higher than four dimensions . So we may propose that dark matter will be more stronger and detectable in higher than four dimensions.

    By

    Madhusudan Ray

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