"Fugitive methane" released during shale gas drilling could accelerate climate change
Capturing the big belch of gas could prevent the problem. Ingraffea said capture is difficult because the gas is emitted along with the flow-back water, but a procedure known as a "green completion," in which special equipment traps the gas, has been shown to work. Regulators do not require that step, however, and the market price of methane is less than the cost of capturing it in that way, so drillers have no incentive to do so for economic reasons.
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Add CommentSee this counterpoint on methane releases and shale gas. Cornell researchers don't agree.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thishttp://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/on-shale-gas-warming-and-whiplash/?scp=2&sq=fracking%20and%20methane&st=cse
Yes Mr Nico. Mark mentions the opinion of Cornell geologist Lawrence Cathles in the last paragraph of his article.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisBut as Howarth says in the article you linked to
"The latest EPA estimate for methane emissions from shale gas falls within the range of our estimates but not those of Cathles et al, which are substantially lower."
Please quantify the methane releases . . .else this is just another "sky is falling" article from a once-respected news source for real science.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYou can easily answer your question by clicking the links to the two scientific papers this article is reporting about.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisIn case you are unable to find them, here they are again:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/e384226wr4160653/
http://216.250.243.12/HowarthIngraffeaarticleFINAL1.pdf
@Mr Dr T,
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisGoogle is your friend.
How long would it take a cow to release the same amount of methane (flatulence) as this belch sometimes seen in the fracking process?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisHere is the problem Phil. The well is releasing sequestered methane that has been in place for millions of years. The cow is simply digesting and combining carbon products with hydrogen from water. The those products were already present on the surface and part of the carbon cycle.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThe aforementioned study from Cornell looks at the diesel exhaust emitted by drilling and fracking equipment during the production process. It postulates that a month of diesel engines running makes natural gas as dirty as coal or traditional fossil fuels.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWhat it doesn't take into account is the fact that coal requires the input of energy into the mining, cracking and transportation of every pound of coal produced while natural gas only requires such input during the initial drilling of the well and subsequent fracking. Natural gas is transported around the country through a network of pipes and does not require transportation by rail, truck or barge as does coal.
Other fossil fuels also require transportation by truck, train or boat and so it seems the previous Cornell study either deliberately overlooked these very important factors in reaching the conclusion that it did.
When natural gas is released from a well during the production process it is flared (burned) into CO2 and H2O vapor, it isn't released as methane.
@Mike Johnson,
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisDid you read the article? I ask because if you had then you would know that they used IR cameras to track the methane leaks; their is even a link to the video.
Mike, the factor you are ignoring is the fact that NG doesn't just flow thru the pipeline system and magically emerge a thousand miles away where it is needed. The tens of thousands of miles of pipeline in the North American delivery system require compressor stations every 150km or so along their length to re-pressurize the NG and overcome friction losses. On a major line each station will have as many as five gas turbines the size of 747 airplane engines running 24/7. Smaller trunk lines will often be diesel powered.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisBottom line is that the NG distribution system burns up to 10% of the energy content present at the wellhead to deliver it to the end user. And all of that energy is exhausted as waste heat and CO2 emissions.
My associates and I studied ways to capture and use this waste heat source, but the current economics of NG mean that it is cheaper to throw it away into the atmosphere than to utilize it. Why pay today for something you can shove into the future when you've already received your corporate profitability bonus?
Most of this methane is released because of flaring, and flaring is done to clean the fracking fluid from the gas stream; The solution is gelled propane fracking or LPG fracking, with gelled propane flaring is very minimal (under 24 hours) compared to possibly weeks with water fracking; the gelled propane rises back as gas, a gelled propane fracked well can be quickly connected to the pipleine; Gasfrac has already done over a 1000 fracks with gelled propane, another benefit is no water is used with the process, and no toxic water is produced and to top it all Oil and Gas production is increased with this type of fracking, it is a win for the industry and a win for the environment.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisHey guys, give the article a break. 14 molecules of methane per century vs. 10 molecules is still a 40% rise.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisHere's the real problem Trent1492. The Eco-corporations have seized upon another issue that the public knows little about and are inventing a campaign to shape the debate to their own ends. Highly sophisticated PR involved in this one; this is no homegrown movement. Millions are being poured into the campaign. Stop and think from where and why?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWhat do the eco-corporations hope to accomplish by all this? Simple. Professional PR firms are shaping the debate so that they can force congress into backing businesses that they already have vested interests in.
Unless of course you don't believe that the eco-corporations are lobbying congress. Or that their lobbying will create economic winners and losers. They could all be investing all these billion$$$ and the time and effort out of the goodness of their own hearts. Yeah right.
What's it like being the dupe of capitalism? The funny part is you and your eco-cadre are so naive you can't even tell when you're being played.
Maybe you should occupy Greenpeace, the WWF, the IPCC or the Sierra Club. They're the ones that are playing you, like a violin.
Trent1492:
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisHere are some simple observations to make, since you are obviously plugged into the Eco-corporations (whether you realize it or not):
1. Have you noticed that suddenly meetings have gotten a lot more organized?
2. That some of the ditzier old guard of the movement has been pushed out?
3. That new slicker guys are showing up?
4. That there are suddenly free iphones, or new websites, new computers, upgraded infrastructure showing up out of nowhere?
5. That they're now providing lunch at the meetings?
The grassroots have left the building and the suits have taken over. As the old rock song goes "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss."
Replace your blanket "Eco-corporations" label with "Dirty Energy Corporations" and your rant almost makes sense! Funny things, these facts are...
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI have looked at the video and it does not show that methane was being released. It could have been the exhaust from the frac fleet. No operator would intentionally release methane like that. That is called a blow out and it is dangerous to all. It is also easily prevented. This report is typical of the chicklittle frac haters who dont care what the facts are they just want to scare the public for thier political goals.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisShoshin,
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYou are giving the appearance of having gone off the deep end here. Really. In a world where the Fifth Fleet is permanently stationed in Bahrain and a 100,000 U.S servicemen are scattered around the Persian Gulf. Where there is a gas station on every block and mining companies routinely excavate whole mountain sides in search of coal seams regardless of the damage it does to the local environment you are worried about phantom "Eco-corporations" get a grip.
The amount of fracking has increased tremendously over the last 20 years yet global methane levels are flat. Fracking and the emissions you describe will only occur a few times at most over the decades long life of a producing well.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisMore US energy gluttony.....we should leave the shale and oil gas deposits for future generations, by which time we may have developed adequate alternative technologies.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAs far as I can see the eco-corporations will shoulder much the blame of a shooting war in Iran. By causing ever more ridiculous and scientifically unsound practices on the energy industry the eco-corporations restrict energy choices and force the developed to become increasingly dependent on radicals for our energy supply.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisPerform this thought experiment: If the Keystone pipeline was able to haul enough oil to supply the entire U.S. do you think the carrier groups would be parked in the Straits of Hormuz? I doubt it.
So your solution would be what? Do you or your eco-corporate employers have one other than to force the world back to a 18th century lifetstyle which would cause the deaths of billions through starvation?
I didn't think so. Eco-corporations are every bit as cut-throat, driven and committed to their goals as any other corporation. Maybe even more as they do not have the public scrutiny of their internal workings that public corporations must endure. Acheiving their goals is how the eco-corporations make $$$ and how their executives earn their bonuses. Alpha dogs run every corporation; eco-corporations are no different.
Except in this case, the eco-alpha dogs are off the leash.
"Phantom eco-corporations"
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYeah right Greenpeace, the WWF, Sierra Club, the IPCC, legions of highly paid Washington lobbying firms,... you're right, none of these exist.
And who is the denier here Trent1492?
Shoshin Says: Y..
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisTrent Says: Are all nonprofit organizations that have no stockholders. Perhaps you should tutor yourself about what a corporation is. I just want to say here that your economic illiteracy is stunning.
Shoshin Says: ...the IPCC
Trent Says: Is a intergovernmental organization. Your ignorance is stunning.
Shoshin Says: ...legions of highly paid Washington lobbying firms,...
Trent Says: I say let us compare and contrasts. Since you made the assertion it is your job to provide the evidence. So how about you compare the total annual revenue of these organizations with say Exxon-Mobil.
Go get busy Shoshin.
It is good that there can be debate but too often we fail to look at the bigpicture. Arguing over silly points. Get this wrong and what do we do to fix it! It being fresh water contaminated.Planet temperatures rise. Planet core temperatures rise. People die. This debate is not whether or not we buy a Big Mac, this is whether or not we and our children survive!
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisFor those making money where ya gonna spend it? But who am I to speak, I'm just a resident of the planet.
Dear Horizon star, I like your approach in trying to net coal to gas, but since we are trying to export natural gas into other countries where it fetches a higher price, we are also making more pollution doing that via the barges and their low grade, highly polluting fuel. Pickens recently commented that....US at $3mcf verses $15 overseas, still nets $5 if sold overseas, so the math in sending our LNG overseas has a $7mcf cost PLUS the environmental costs in barge pollution.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNatural gas is a bridge to nowhere. For a brief, useful summary of the science on fracking, see: http://clmtr.lt/cb/rDc0XD
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