On a practical level, this finding suggests that a fractal generator can be developed based on historical market data. The actual model used does not simply inspect what the market did yesterday or last week. It is in fact a more realistic depiction of market fluctuations, called fractional Brownian motion in multifractal trading time. The charts created from the generators produced by this model can simulate alternative scenarios based on previous market activity.
These techniques do not come closer to forecasting a price drop or rise on a specific day on the basis of past records. But they provide estimates of the probability of what the market might do and allow one to prepare for inevitable sea changes. The new modeling techniques are designed to cast a light of order into the seemingly impenetrable thicket of the financial markets. They also recognize the mariner’s warning that, as recent events demonstrate, deserves to be heeded: On even the calmest sea, a gale may be just over the horizon.
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Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThis article is completely useless: the random nature of stock markets has been recognized for some time, and a fractal description provides no useful information.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThe article is far from useless. Randomness does not imply a lack of structure. The modern portfolio analysis software for valuing derivatives assumes a normal distribution of portfolio motion. That is, changes tend to be small, and large changes are increasing infrequent with a rapidly falling percentage. Mandelbrot is arguing in this article that this assumption is wrong. The appropriate statistics should be fractal statistics in which large moves are much more likely to interrupt long stretches of smaller movements. In other words, the pricing models are bogus, and in light of current events, this seems to be true. (No, this article does not tell you how to beat the market, just how to evaluate certain pricing strategies.)
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisInternet traffic also has fractal statistics which can lead to serious bursts of traffic and make it hard to build enough capacity to manage peak traffic. Telephone systems were designed using what are called Erlang statistics which are smoother. These were used in the early days of network design, and this led to lots of slow downs and sometimes router crashes. More modern models provide for better performance using better statistics.
Statistics are useful in a predictive capacity: for instance the statistical mechanics of gas molecules allow us to predict the response of gases to changes in temperature and pressure. The statistics of chaotic systems can lead to the identification of attractors, leading to an assessment of the probability that the system will have a particular value (although it will not tell you WHEN that value will occur). Fractals do not help in any sense to predict the likelihood of market behaviour, on the other hand studies of social phenomena that lead to flocking in birds show promise.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisit is shame that sciam started to publish this kind of articles. are edtors lost good sense of science?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisthe power of every theory is in its prediction and our ability to act on this prediction.
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or is is deliberate misleading?
I wonder about fractal models. It seems to me that all they tell us, is that we can take a complex phenomenon and approximately compress it. Does the compressed representation tell us anything much about the original?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWe have criminals in charge and they ran a pyramid scam on the American people disguised as a real estate "boom". You don't need a complicated mathematical model to predict how a pyramid scam will end, unless you're stupid.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisexactly! thanks for this. i am bit tired from pseudo-scientific papers....
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI suggest you look into Elliott Wave Analysis, and remember to factor in 1) expectation, 2) mass human psychology, and 3) perhaps part of 1 & 2, greed.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisJim C. La Mesa, Calif.
For more and better information abour fractals please have a look at http://www.fractal.org
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisJules Ruis.
Failure of regulators to control runaway behavior of a few smart guys playing with the market using too many layers of derivatives to camouflage and present a complex financial structure building up mythical pyramids of wealth - ended in the individual players making tons of money. Why no one questions the regulators? The solution again is to make the tax payer pay for the failure of the regulators whom also the tax payer funded. Well, knowingly a magical feel-good- feeling was allowed to prevail without sound financial diligence checks and the entire financial world on the planet are now questioning the maturity of managing markets in USA, the largest economy built by sheer hard work over decades by people believing in simple values of following ethics in business. Fraudsters are getting rewarded now.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNone of the illustration links work on this article, and even moving from one page to the next sometimes draws a blank. For a magazine about science, your web design seems embarrassingly lacking in technical quality. And my computer is not at fault - it accesses stuff faultlessly on more technically comples sites.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThis article does not explain price fluctuations, it describes them
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisMost of our scientific knowledge fail to explain the why part-but only try to describe and fail rigorous test of cause and effect relation ships. Surprisingly logic has the fallacy described as post hoc ergo propter hoc which roughly means after this, therefore because of this...But all our knowledge if you introspect deeply, falls under this category. Trends can be foreseen but not spikes and timing. But what can be monitored is the ethical governance which is within human control, and which when we over look on a massive scale, can result in the current stock market melt down. Instead of describing the symptoms accurately with mathematical models, if we look for underlying driving forces and how the initial innocent belief that market forces will work in unbiased manner FAIRLY, is not proven sound and we do need HONEST regulation, not human based but may be digitally enforced ruthlessly, all will be better off. Interestingly if you mandate a group of us to lay down a process, we all do it very well but when one or two of us are asked to implement the same, discretion and human weaknesses allow the process to be compromised initially as one time exception and then the precedence slowly opens the flood gates of vitiating the process totally! Entropy is real in human ethical behavior while once we accept the process to be implemented by un-emotional silicon chips, this danger is eliminated. Yes some will crib that creativity will be stunted. But we observe that creativity is always viewed with suspicion in all other human endeavors except financial world, unless proven beyond doubts by the society, to protect itself. Society hence must now learn to restrict the over zealous and daily creativity obsessed boys walking out of our business schools through electronically enforced ethical practices. Human regulators fail for obvious reasons. No amount of covering tracks explaining away by mathematical models based on different assumptions can replace simple observance of basic value based systems and enforcement in the markets for balanced and sustainable growth. Else this bleeding periodically appears the only way to correct our thinking and after sometime we go back to our old ways till next bleeding session.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thismight as well just write off the market's volatility to brownian motion. or perhaps just that bad news travels WAY faster than good news and the slightest hint of bad news sends investors heading for the SELL in a huge hurry.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisperhaps greenspan's presence in the fed was better for the markets. when financial sector businesses like lehman are dropping like flies, something is clearly wrong with regulators' enforcement and governmental fiscal policy. please explain to me how we fit that into mathematical fractal equations of any kind.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thiswell said!!
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thiswell said
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisTom, Yountville, Calif
Well, fractals explain many things in nature. It's time staticians start using imaginary numbers in their prediction models.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWhat are the odds of a company succeeding vs. a company going bankrupt anyhow?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWhy do people always set up ridiculous "straw men" about economics and then, surprise surprise, tear them down ? Why do they make preposterous claims about what economists believe, insulting the intelligence of many serious scholars ? If Mandelbrot were onto something he wouldn't be publishing in Scientific American, sorry.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWith the end of the George W Bush era, hubris is going out of style. Get with it Mandelbrot.
Oh yeah, the financial crisis is evidence market participants took excessive social risks for personal profit, at no personal risk. Not necessarily evidence the models are fundamentally flawed.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWhen Mandelbrot says something like "statisticians don't like invariants," I wonder if he took a random sample of statisticians to find that out.
Mandelbrot kind of reminds me of the "fuzzy math" guy who has a big chip on his shoulder that the academic community doesn't think he has a very deep result and should garner more respect.
Enjoyable, nicely written. In fact it iselequentely written.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI believe that the links to Illustrations 3 and 4 are, indeed, the same as to Illustration 2, just further down the page.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI agree with Kaleberg. I used to be involved with statistical analysis of bond portfolios. We would run 200 random-walk scenarios based on the log-normal distribution. After reading this article back in 1999, we discussed trying fractals, but we did not have the software support to accomplish it.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisIgor, you said prediction??
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisthis is one of the thing not possible for human being.
trying to predict financial markets is sure the wrong way to go
prediction ??
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