Now, with biofuels you do have to build an infrastructure whereas with electrification we do have electric plugs already.
What lessons have been learned during the Obama administration about how the government should fund new energy companies like these, or companies of any type?
The sweet spot at DoE has been on the front side, research and development. Then, as you go to helping deployment and how to finance deployment, there is an important role for government. At least other countries feel that it is a very important role, to help deployment by funding first-of-their-kind plants. You can help fund deployment through whatever means: finance, feed-in tariffs, clean energy standards or renewable portfolio standards. It's a combination of things to make a market draw.
A market draw helps you walk down the learning curve. The more you produce, the better you get at it. You need the market draw in addition to research. If you don't have it, and people don't think there will be a market, it will be a chicken-and-egg problem. It's a combination of research and industry saying, "Yes, I can make a business of this."
In areas of rapidly moving technology, you have to be increasingly careful when assisting in deployment. Some things happened so rapidly that nobody anticipated them. For example, the price of photovoltaics dropped 80 percent in one year, 40 percent in another year. Those prices have now stabilized.
It's very important that the U.S. remain a player in this technology [photovoltaics]. We invented a lot of this stuff, from silicon to cadmium telluride [solar cells], you name it. We still have the capability of outcompeting. Other countries may give more assistance, look at Germany and it's high-tech auto industry. But our auto manufacturing is coming back strong. They are building very high quality cars now that they believe they can market worldwide but build in the U.S.
Things happen. I really didn't learn that here, I knew full well coming in that unexpected things can happen. [Technology] leads can be lost. It's a very competitive world out there. For example, we invented the airplane, lost the lead and then came back.
We are still highly competitive in all areas of high-tech manufacturing, including most new energy. We need to choose our battles, but a lot of them we can—and should—win.
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Add CommentInstead of relying on corn to produce sugar for ethanol why not raise more sugar cane along the Gulf coast and sugar beets in all the colder states? This will allow corn to be used for food while providing new income for struggling American farmers.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to this"The goal is to get a greater contribution from domestic renewable energy sources, such as the sun and wind, yet maintain cheap domestic energy from traditional fossil fuels"
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThis is a political statement suitable for election purposes, but does not reflect the goal of this Energy Secretary or this Administration. Chu has publicly stated that US gasoline prices need to be equivalent to that of Europe (2 - 3x more than current). Obama has stated that under the plan he wanted, "electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket". They want Americans to pay more for energy, whether its more for conventional sources or endless taxpayer subsidies for renewables.
I think biofuels are stupid when you use food to produce them. There are a lot of alternatives out there that does not need food to produce and we should stay with those. You do not need diesel when you have all that natural gas to power the long haul trucks. Use CNG for long haul trucks and electricity for the cars and our pollution will have a dramatic drop and it could just save our country.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYou are one screwed up person; you just mimicked everything the Bush administration wanted, not the Obama administration. I know you suffer from that "republican convenient memory loss syndrome" stuff, but do you remember who drove gas prices and utility bills sky high? I know you do not so I will just tell you... it was Bush, not Obama. So take your meds and go lie down and let the adults handle these important issues.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisReally, because the markets (e.g. futures) control gas/energy prices and it is news of instability in that part of the world which pushes those up. I really like the "my side is good, your side s**ks" mentality in these discussions. So if I read this correctly; all democratic senators and reps are poor and good and it is only the filthy rich republicans in congress who are evil.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNEWS FLASH-NO POLITICIAN CARES ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. They all get rich from lobbyists, and the common guy doesn't pay for them.
A rational energy policy will come from smart people with no dog in the fight as they say. This won't happen in DC politics no matter if the donkeys or elephants are in charge.
Nobody but other supply-siders takes comments seriously that write as if prices only depended on supply, not on demand and speculation. Oil prices have suffered wild swings and long term damage because of speculation for over 100 years now, and yet commenters here can only blame government for every price swing even though they only enact very limited, temporary restrictions and surpluses of supply. Governments seem to have control over prices more through the bellicosity of their statements about the political situation in the Middle East.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisOn the price of petroleum products in Europe—It's only twice the cost, not three times, and you can buy plenty of luxury vehicles that get almost twice what they get here (see recently Audi's diesel line mostly not available in North America), so the way I see it I myself would prefer their regime—Spend less on OPEC and more on luxury—How is that not a higher standard of living? The irony is that even the suppliers, the energy companies, want to sell you less energy units, for more money per unit, and that would be a good thing for everybody, as long as the money we spent total went down. Standard of living is not tied inextricably to energy use, it's tied to productivity, but that doesn't fit some commenters' politically motivated bashing of progress.
It saddens me when Big Oil's magazine outlet assigns a pup stenographer to copy down their latest infomercial. Even sadder that Obama and Chu have sold out to Big Oil to the point that America's energy policy is set for the benefit of Big Oil and Chu is forced to participate in this blatant propaganda piece.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI guess whats good for Chevron/Exxon is good for the USA.
Chu lies: " Natural gas as a transition fuel is great. It's half the [carbon dioxide emissions]. We still need to figure out how to capture its carbon, which we need by mid-century no matter what the large source is [whether coal, oil or natural gas]."
Real peer reviewed science published in reputable journal shows that when production and transport methane leaks are added in Gas is actually a worse warming initiator than coal with similar GHG emission levels.
We don't need to figger out how to capture its carbon as nuke power is already by far the cheapest form of energy. Yup lets add deadly CO2 leaks to the massive carbon dump from methane leaks.
More Chu lies:" Wind is now pegged at 7.2 to 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour at a levelized cost of energy "
This is of course after subsidy.
Actually "nuclear" power at 3 cents a kwh is the the cheapest from of energy in America but of course now that Chu is on Big Oil's payroll the word is verboten.
Wind costs more than 30 cents a kwh when 5 times sized transmission plant and low efficiency load balancing deadly filthy GHG spewing gas plant run inefficiently at 100% name plant capacity is added killing hundreds of citizens annually from air pollution and producing almost all the energy in the wind/gas backup scam Add 55 cents for solar and a buck a kwh for Green storage.
Real wind project PGE's latest wind farm build $15B/Gw (20 cents Kwh at PGE's discount rate).Ontario feed in tariff rate 12 to 19 cents a kwh,
Google "pge manzana wind"
More Chu lies: "Solar is more expensive; it's twice as expensive."
Real solar install just completed by expert engineers at Duke Energy using real solar panels not the Walmart quality Chinese junk with the same service life as everything else you buy at Walmart in service Jan 2011
http://www.pv-tech.org/project_focus/davidson_county_solar_farm_north_carolina
$43 a watt average, 65 cents a kwh at Dukes discount rate. Note this is the feed in for solar plant in Ontario after construction related solar subsidy.
He got close to the truth here "It's really almost science fiction."
Almost all of Chu's entire spew is science fiction. He should be ashamed of himself.
This guy, along with Obama and all his "advisors" won't be happy till every American is un-happy, with $12/gallon gasoline, no privacy, no choice, no liberty, and no hope.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisWhat you are saying is not true.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYou need to listed better.
What you are suggesting lacks common sense, and will destroy us in the future. Are you being paid by heartland?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisU.S oil production is at its highest since 2003:
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisU.S. report: Oil imports down, domestic production highest since 2003:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-report-us-oil-imports-down-domestic-production-highest-since-2003-20120311,0,1926377.story
Which should lead people to question the credibility of people who insist exactly the opposite.
TYPO:
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThe battery manufacturer Envia, which both [the U.S. Department of Energy's (DoE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy and its Advanced Research Projects Agency–Energy] supported just announced a 400-kilowatt-hour-per-kilogram battery.
Should be 400 watt hours per kilogram... wouldn't it be wonderful if somehow we had 400 kwh/kg energy storage density in batteries... gasoline is about 13 kwh/kg in thermal energy, about 2.6 kwh/kg if used to generate electricity. Thus 400 watt hour/kg for batteries is about 15% as good as gasoline for storing electrical energy. I have neglected the engine - generator weight, so for practical purposes the 400 watt hour/kg might battery might be 30% as good as gasoline. Certainly a step in the right direction!
No matter what your politics, isn't it true that fossil fuels are finite? If so, we will have to replace them sooner or later. Is there ANY reason we can't do the research on new fuels now? Do we lack ANY basic knowledge we need? What possible excuse is there for simply pumping more? It's horribly irresponsible, as there are far better uses for petroleum than driving people back and forth from work at 10 passenger miles per gallon. Why do supply sides hate the planet so much?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNo matter what your politics, isn't it true that fossil fuels are finite? If so, we will have to replace them sooner or later. Is there ANY reason we can't do the research on new fuels now? Do we lack ANY basic knowledge we need? What possible excuse is there for simply pumping more? It's horribly irresponsible, as there are far better uses for petroleum than driving people back and forth from work at 10 passenger miles per gallon. Why do supply sides hate the planet so much?
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Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisSethdayal and soocordad are right wing or idoit trolls on this list spouting all kinds of misleading to out and out lies to push their points of view.
You can buy PV panels for $1/wt retail, sunelec.com among others, as they well know and also know that is far less than new US nuke plants that can't be built without massive subsidies. Why doesn't matter, it's just what it costs. What they cost overseas is not material.
I'm about to produce a 2kw windgen for $4k that can supply an eff home and a light EV or 2.
So for under $10k installed easily one can have their own energy for 25-50 yrs. Or pay far more for the honor of using nuke!!
Now they will jump in saying I'm not telling the truth and saying things like you need 3x's as much but even if the utilities did at their rates for $10k/kw nuke costs vs$2k/kw wind or PV costs, they are still lower cost.
Now add the utility profits, overhead to base nuke cost as it would delivered to you, doubling it at least, and RE in many site is far less expensive than nuke or coal.
I'm not against nukes, just overpriced cra- they are trying to foist on us. Let's get to gen 4-5 nukes and get rid of boiling water cooled reactors, the reason for all but Chernobal? nuke meltdowns.
And coal produces far more radioactive material in each plant than all the nuke industry plus mercury and manyy, many other poisions so bad one can only eat fish 2x's/wk now.
Alts are the cheapest energy is that you don't use so make eff use and your bill will drop radically. My total energy bill comes to $22-45/month for my home heating, cooling, cooking, shop, EV's just by conservation. Sadly my home is in an old oak forest which saves me tons on A/C in Tampa but too tall for wind and no direct sunlight with 100% coverage. So I'm moving to a far better site and will get a very nice check each month from the utility.
Here in Fla Progress is building 2 1.2gw reactors already costing $10k/kwhr and they haven't broke ground!! Fact is they likely never will get built as already outdated by the coming far safer, less costly/kw SMR/small modular reactor and both would be commisioned. Obama has already approved one starting the certifying process and several others starting it soon.
No mater who you buy your energy from they are going to overcharge you. Facts arein many cases you can make your own power for 3 yrs electric payments and get almost free energy for 22-50 yrs. Or keep paying ever higher electric bills. Your choice.
"...The issue is energy independence and stopping sending all our money to unfriendly foreign countries..."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisVery true and very important.
"...Natual gas is available in the US to meet our energy needs now and its use will allow the US to not be vulnerable to long term price increases..."
Another person who has been captured by Big Oil's "there is loads of Natural Gas" SUCKER TRAP. NG is the crack cocaine of Energy. Big Oil is keeping the price way artificially low hoping to displace Nuclear and Coal Electricity Generation. Wind power is just a SCAM to sell Natural Gas power generation, since it is the only Electricity source that mates well with Wind. And 80-90% of the Energy that supplies the NG/Wind/Solar system will be NG. Exxon has admitted it is targeting Electricity Generation in Western Countries as its #1 source of new revenue and expects NG to displace Coal as the #2 energy source in the World by 2025.
Once they get us hooked on cheap domestic NG, then like any good drug dealer, they will turn the screws and soon we will be paying 5X current domestic NG price, just like Japan has had to buy $55B in LNG imports to replace its stupidly shutdown Nuclear Power.
Deborah Rogers explains the myth about abundant domestic Natural Gas, a must-see video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzU4bEfJ5U
If you don't have the 36 min, at least watch the last 4 mins of the video.
The NY Times has published a lot on the phony hype of Shale Gas:
www.nytimes.com/interactive/us/natural-gas-drilling-down-documents-4-intro.html?ref=us
"...Shale Gas Called a "Ponzi Scheme" ..."
"...Where is the S.E.C.?..."
"...This e-mail exchange is between a geologist in Texas and a petroleum geologist who spent about a decade and a half at Phillips Petroleum Company. They discuss whether the hype about shale gas is giving a false sense of security with regard to energy policy…the way that Wall Street investment is feeding the shale gas hype is reminiscent of Enron..."
Industry Doubts on Shale Gas Economics:
"World's Largest Uneconomic Field"
"A Herd Mentality" on Shale Gas"
"Shale Gas Inherently Unprofitable, Official Says"
"Shale Wells Not Economic, Chesapeake Geologist Says"
"Media Is Ignoring Costs, Investment Analyst Says"
"Financial Hype on Shale Gas Is Difficult to Understand"
"Drill Fast, Con Wall Street "Always a Greater Sucker..."
ourfiniteworld.com/2011/02/07/dont-count-on-natural-gas-to-solve-us-energy-problems/
Jerry, if Nuclear had a regulator of the same character that Oil, Gas and Coal enjoy, they would let good citizens such as ourselves buy low enriched uranium, and us hobbyists would be building safe, clean home nuclear power supplies by the thousands for next to nothing, generating all our own heat, power and hot water as well as electricity for their electric vehicle for a penny a kwh.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAnd there would be hundreds of small companies building Small Modular Reactors with probably a couple dozen different varieties, all of which cost less than $1k per kwth, and $2k per kwel, the cheapest energy on the planet, portable, safe, clean & green. Any utility, building, factory, mining camp, ship or military base could order a SMR right out of a catalog - one week delivery. Utility - who needs that? Oil - what's that for? They make plastics out of it. NG - they give that away, nobody wants it except chemical plants. Coal - who wants that? Human CO2 emissions - when did that happen?
So net result of these FACTS - is Nuclear is REGULATED TO DEATH, and Coal, Oil and NG get a virtual free ride on regulation.
For transporatation, I prefer pure electric cars, electric freight trains, used cooking oil and animal fats (biodiesel) to replace jet fuel, compressed methane from anaerobic digestion of sewage water and solid wastes to replace diesel for ships.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisFor power, renewables and improve the design of nuclear plants.
":For transporatation, I prefer pure electric cars, electric freight trains, used cooking oil and animal fats (biodiesel) to replace jet fuel, compressed methane from anaerobic digestion of sewage water and solid wastes to replace diesel for ships."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisActually nuke synfuel is far cheaper far more environmentally benign then used cooking oil and animal fats (biodiesel) to replace jet fuel, compressed methane from anaerobic digestion of sewage water, while small nukes like the hyperion are ideal replacements for ship propulsion systems.
Cite your sources (not that I think you made up the 10B vs 7B numbers but I recall several petroleum companies shutting down perfectly functional refineries to consolidate fuel processing into a small number of facilities).
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI would really like to see that exact quotation in the context of Obama's speech. Where did he say that?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisIt is said that comments to Scientific American are not moderated. It has to look more like a discussion, not slinging crap at others. Go to Huffington Post if that is what you want.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisBoring ...
You are precisely right ... up to the last comment. They do not hate the planet so much. They love their bank accounts too much. All greed ... nothing personal.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisFrom the standpoint of politics, I believe Obama and Chu realize where we are and they take the responsibility.
HOWEVER, the gas prices are a huge factor.
Even here at this blog part of the responders yell "We can drill more. They will kill this country with $10/gal fuel prices". Others yell: "Chu and Obama sold out to the big oil".
An intuitive take on that is: who is under fire from the opposite sides is walking the fine line which is not far from the right path.
Renewable Energy Solar, Wind, Hydro, Geothermal and others should be on the front cover of every Science Book kindergarten through high school.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisLeaders and Schools in all Nations need to Teach more on Solar Energy.
When this Old World starts getting you down. From Pollution the cost of OIL,
Heating Fuel,The Fuel you put in your Vehicles, You Electric Bills from
cooling air conditioners and lights not to speak of the Evil. The TAX that all
Governments Federal, State, County and City put on everything they can thing of.
They are supposed to serve us. Not put a burden on its people. That they are
elected to serve all the people you, not their own Pocket Books.
The Wicked keep putting higher taxes on everything. Making it a Heavy
Burden on many that are already struggling just to put food on the table.
Too many Americans and People of all Nations have lost their home to the tax collector or to foreclosures
from the unjust bankers greed and their Government leaders. More are out of work and lost their homes then
in the GREAT DEPRESSION, in the last ten years. All Americans and many Nations
need good jobs and more of them. Not more TAXES and Wars.
There is a Industry that will employ workers and is growing by more then 50%
every year. There is a clear way for all up on the roof the Sun Light is free
fuel from GOD. Some wicked in Government have been backing Coal, Oil, Gas and
the Nuclear industries for too many years. These kickbacks to them were called
Subsidizing Industry Technology and high paid scientist. Most all Wise Men and smart Economist, Environmentalists and good at heart Scientist call this padding their pockets and subsidizing back to the
Stone Age.
This might even been funny in the 1960′s. If it were a Fred Flintstones and
Barny Rubble Movie. About How to aggressively systematically work with the rich
to Pollute Ground Water quality to the point it is unsafe to drink or use.
So to they make a law you can only buy water from their pipe line. And to make
the air we breath full of Toxic Gases, Sulfur Dioxide and more Radioactive
and Acid Rain. Injuring all living things on Earth.
With Fred Flintstones to the Rescue. To help create a Healthier Environment.
For all Future Generations. By spotlighting Renewable Energy and Free Energy
like Wind and Solar. On his and his neighbor Barny Rubble’s roof. Even though
the greedy wicked would do everything to stop or slow them down.
Just imagine a dream that a 100 years ago one of the smartest man to ever
live had. A dream after working with Sun Light. That all on Earth would use
Free Energy Solar Energy.
That Dream also shared by a man that dreamed this over 2,250 years ago.
Both These men showed the world in their days. That this dream of Free Energy
Solar Energy World wide was very possible. Both of these two wise men had
first hand worked and researched their experiments for not just days, weeks
put for many years.
One of these men used chalk on Black Board the others board was a black
stone table or floor covered with white sand and used a stick. One of these
two Brilliant men had Kings from all most every Kingdom on Earth come to him
for advice.
The other went to almost every nation on Earth. Freely on his own dime
Teaching All that had ears to hear. He would win the Nobel Prize for doing so.
For his work on Solar Energy. Only after years of doing research and when most
Scientist on Earth would not take the nomination for the Nobel Prize in 1921 and knew
it clearly belonged to this Brilliant Scientist, this Brilliant scientist was then awarded it in
1922 for the 1921 year.
Now if this was just a Pretend TV Show or a Movie from a dream. This would
be a great Sci Fi Story Line. In the 1960′s or even better to day. Sci Fi story
Movie or dream No.
All that i Have told you did actually really happen. Albert Einstein won the
Nobel Prize for what? When Government leaders asked him to go on stage. To
address the Scientific Community and the World. About what he was given the
Nobel Prize for. When Albert Einstein Had done so. He addressed them with his
other accomplishments. For years most Governments did not have a ear for
Einstein’s Dream.
Archimedes around 250 B.C. was know most of the World over as a great
Mathematician. One of the first Scientist and Inventor of many things. Even
the first Laser Ray from the Sun’s Energy. Science Fiction is what you would
have though you were seeing if you could go back in time, it was real.To day
we call it The LASER, Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission. Back then it
was just called Amplification of the SUN, Archimedes Death Ray.
Thousand of years later it would be a Laser. That Albert Einstein help
make possible. That would unlock one of the first books on Earth.
The METHOD written by Archimedes. Then over more then 250 years later. When
well Faded was cut from a scroll and put into a book form, to be easier to
hide from the Romans by St. Paul. This book sold for over 2 million dollars.
In New york at Christie’s Auction House.
These two are at the top of the list of the World’s Greatest Scientists,
Viewed by Scientist around the World.
Sad that for the last 25 years or so of every teacher asked no matter what
Grade k through 16. At least 80% of them did not know Archimedes. Even sadder 90%
of them could not tell you what one of the most Brilliant Scientist to ever
live on Earth. Won the Nobel Prize for.
It was for the work Albert Einstein did to show the World it could get
Free Energy, Electric from the SUN. (THE PHOTOVOLTAIC EFFECT).
You ask this question to any Military general 95% of them will get it right.
Even more surprising 99% of them will know more about Archimedes then most
Teachers on Earth. Generals know Energy is the key to Winning.
At almost one thousand to one Archimedes always won against what all knew was
impossible odds. Archimedes home town city of Syracuse was victorious against the
greatest Kingdoms Armies on earth many times. Syracuse once was one of the most
powerful cities in the World.
I can only ask you to please look into Solar Energy, Solar Power, Solar Panels
and Solar array on the internet under Images. To see and explore for your self
then you be the JURY.
More then 10 years ago the Internet became most of the World’s Universities
Learning Platform. A Modern Day Archimedes Resource Center.
The Solar Energy Industry in the year 2010 and 2011 has leaped ahead farther and
faster then any other industry on Earth. The Solar Industry in the
United States of America alone, has grown by more then 50% in 2010 and
that number has gone up even higher for the 2011 year.
The strong benefits of Solar Energy is Clear Clean Air viewed in major cities
as improving air quality. Clean Cities. By all that use there brain for good .
View it as protecting the environment and Freedom from OIL , Coal and other Dirty Energy.
While many Governments has eased the Taxes on Renewable Energy . Some cities in
the states that these Legislators come from have
worked against these tax credits.
By doing so they are showing their true objectives. That they have stock in some
power plants and do not want to lose all that Money they have been taking out of
your pocket books for too many years. By taxing you on your Energy Bills. They want
to Control Power and Tax Everything they can. Not let People be free to get their
own power from the top of their own roofs.
By adding their own taxes to them. These wicked leaders think that this will take
away the incentives to harvest the Free Energy from the Sun.
The Public ability and awareness for all on Earth to use the Natural Solar Energy,
is Contributing to Production of Solar Energy Products. Making the Solar
Energy Industry the fastest growing on Earth. A Wealth of Free Energy From The SUN.
The more the wicked try to slow the Solar Energy Industry down, it only Enhances
involvement and the efforts of the Good at Heart.
through out History Many have tried to wipe the good from our history books.
Read the Bible Jesus will Bless you more then i can.
SolarWorld has been presenting a Einstein Award to personalities who have advanced
the use of solar energy – and helped our Planet Earth.
We all need to tell all our Teachers and Leaders to use our Nation’s Energy more wisely
and efficient. Start to Teach all our Young about Renewable Energy Solar, Wind, and so on.
Not to for get Flintstones, Fred well there are many the one that is in front of all others
Started back in the 1970′s and started a small catalog that has turned into a Wealth of
knowledge into Renewable Energy a book called REAL GOODS Solar Living Source Book.
By Mr. John Schaeffer.
The world is going more with SOLAR, Wind and Geothermal Powered Energy. Speaking of
Geothermal Curt Lubben is just one of many sales representatives that has sold over a
million dollars of Renewable Energy in less then 365 days in the year 2011. The day of the
need for Dirty Oil, Coal and Dangerous Nuclear Power are coming to a end fast. The Freedom Element
Living with Hydrogen That Dr. Addison Bain has showed the world will free most all of the
need for the Power Grid and Oil CEO's.
Very soon most of the world will not need Oil. Renewable Energy like Solar, Wind, Hydro and
Geothermal are now replacing dirty Energy like Oil. Solar Energy is growing World Wide at a
record pace.
Hybrid Cars are being sold all over the Earth. Soon Hybrid Vehicles that run on Electric /
Hydrogen, The Freedom Element. Will free the world from Oil. Thanks to a Great Scientist
Dr. Addison Bain’s Years of work for our Nation and with the Space Program on Hydrogen.
The day will come when many will see Solar Panels on most everything. What Free Electric
the sun makes will be used to split water into Hydrogen. The Hydrogen will be used to heat
our homes and to cook on and put into are Hybrid Vehicles that will run on
(The Freedom Element). Very soon most all will be filling up their Vehicles at Home.
Free from the Sun’s Solar Energy. Just as Dr.Addison Bain has done for years The Fist Hydrogen
Home Refueling Station in the World. That Dr. Addison Bain built by his self.
GOD Bless you for reading this.
May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
guide your Heart.
The Lord’s little Helper
Paul Felix Schott
Renewable Energy Solar, Wind, Hydro, Geothermal and others should be on the front cover of every Science Book kindergarten through high school.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisLeaders and Schools in all Nations need to Teach more on Solar Energy.
When this Old World starts getting you down. From Pollution the cost of OIL,
Heating Fuel,The Fuel you put in your Vehicles, You Electric Bills from
cooling air conditioners and lights not to speak of the Evil. The TAX that all
Governments Federal, State, County and City put on everything they can thing of.
They are supposed to serve us. Not put a burden on its people. That they are
elected to serve all the people you, not their own Pocket Books.
The Wicked keep putting higher taxes on everything. Making it a Heavy
Burden on many that are already struggling just to put food on the table.
Too many Americans and People of all Nations have lost their home to the tax collector or to foreclosures
from the unjust bankers greed and their Government leaders. More are out of work and lost their homes then
in the GREAT DEPRESSION, in the last ten years. All Americans and many Nations
need good jobs and more of them. Not more TAXES and Wars.
There is a Industry that will employ workers and is growing by more then 50%
every year. There is a clear way for all up on the roof the Sun Light is free
fuel from GOD. Some wicked in Government have been backing Coal, Oil, Gas and
the Nuclear industries for too many years. These kickbacks to them were called
Subsidizing Industry Technology and high paid scientist. Most all Wise Men and smart Economist, Environmentalists and good at heart Scientist call this padding their pockets and subsidizing back to the
Stone Age.
This might even been funny in the 1960′s. If it were a Fred Flintstones and
Barny Rubble Movie. About How to aggressively systematically work with the rich
to Pollute Ground Water quality to the point it is unsafe to drink or use.
So to they make a law you can only buy water from their pipe line. And to make
the air we breath full of Toxic Gases, Sulfur Dioxide and more Radioactive
and Acid Rain. Injuring all living things on Earth.
With Fred Flintstones to the Rescue. To help create a Healthier Environment.
For all Future Generations. By spotlighting Renewable Energy and Free Energy
like Wind and Solar. On his and his neighbor Barny Rubble’s roof. Even though
the greedy wicked would do everything to stop or slow them down.
Just imagine a dream that a 100 years ago one of the smartest man to ever
live had. A dream after working with Sun Light. That all on Earth would use
Free Energy Solar Energy.
That Dream also shared by a man that dreamed this over 2,250 years ago.
Both These men showed the world in their days. That this dream of Free Energy
Solar Energy World wide was very possible. Both of these two wise men had
first hand worked and researched their experiments for not just days, weeks
put for many years.
One of these men used chalk on Black Board the others board was a black
stone table or floor covered with white sand and used a stick. One of these
two Brilliant men had Kings from all most every Kingdom on Earth come to him
for advice.
The other went to almost every nation on Earth. Freely on his own dime
Teaching All that had ears to hear. He would win the Nobel Prize for doing so.
For his work on Solar Energy. Only after years of doing research and when most
Scientist on Earth would not take the nomination for the Nobel Prize in 1921 and knew
it clearly belonged to this Brilliant Scientist, this Brilliant scientist was then awarded it in
1922 for the 1921 year.
Now if this was just a Pretend TV Show or a Movie from a dream. This would
be a great Sci Fi Story Line. In the 1960′s or even better to day. Sci Fi story
Movie or dream No.
All that i Have told you did actually really happen. Albert Einstein won the
Nobel Prize for what? When Government leaders asked him to go on stage. To
address the Scientific Community and the World. About what he was given the
Nobel Prize for. When Albert Einstein Had done so. He addressed them with his
other accomplishments. For years most Governments did not have a ear for
Einstein’s Dream.
Archimedes around 250 B.C. was know most of the World over as a great
Mathematician. One of the first Scientist and Inventor of many things. Even
the first Laser Ray from the Sun’s Energy. Science Fiction is what you would
have though you were seeing if you could go back in time, it was real.To day
we call it The LASER, Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission. Back then it
was just called Amplification of the SUN, Archimedes Death Ray.
Thousand of years later it would be a Laser. That Albert Einstein help
make possible. That would unlock one of the first books on Earth.
The METHOD written by Archimedes. Then over more then 250 years later. When
well Faded was cut from a scroll and put into a book form, to be easier to
hide from the Romans by St. Paul. This book sold for over 2 million dollars.
In New york at Christie’s Auction House.
These two are at the top of the list of the World’s Greatest Scientists,
Viewed by Scientist around the World.
Sad that for the last 25 years or so of every teacher asked no matter what
Grade k through 16. At least 80% of them did not know Archimedes. Even sadder 90%
of them could not tell you what one of the most Brilliant Scientist to ever
live on Earth. Won the Nobel Prize for.
It was for the work Albert Einstein did to show the World it could get
Free Energy, Electric from the SUN. (THE PHOTOVOLTAIC EFFECT).
You ask this question to any Military general 95% of them will get it right.
Even more surprising 99% of them will know more about Archimedes then most
Teachers on Earth. Generals know Energy is the key to Winning.
At almost one thousand to one Archimedes always won against what all knew was
impossible odds. Archimedes home town city of Syracuse was victorious against the
greatest Kingdoms Armies on earth many times. Syracuse once was one of the most
powerful cities in the World.
I can only ask you to please look into Solar Energy, Solar Power, Solar Panels
and Solar array on the internet under Images. To see and explore for your self
then you be the JURY.
More then 10 years ago the Internet became most of the World’s Universities
Learning Platform. A Modern Day Archimedes Resource Center.
The Solar Energy Industry in the year 2010 and 2011 has leaped ahead farther and
faster then any other industry on Earth. The Solar Industry in the
United States of America alone, has grown by more then 50% in 2010 and
that number has gone up even higher for the 2011 year.
The strong benefits of Solar Energy is Clear Clean Air viewed in major cities
as improving air quality. Clean Cities. By all that use there brain for good .
View it as protecting the environment and Freedom from OIL , Coal and other Dirty Energy.
While many Governments has eased the Taxes on Renewable Energy . Some cities in
the states that these Legislators come from have
worked against these tax credits.
By doing so they are showing their true objectives. That they have stock in some
power plants and do not want to lose all that Money they have been taking out of
your pocket books for too many years. By taxing you on your Energy Bills. They want
to Control Power and Tax Everything they can. Not let People be free to get their
own power from the top of their own roofs.
By adding their own taxes to them. These wicked leaders think that this will take
away the incentives to harvest the Free Energy from the Sun.
The Public ability and awareness for all on Earth to use the Natural Solar Energy,
is Contributing to Production of Solar Energy Products. Making the Solar
Energy Industry the fastest growing on Earth. A Wealth of Free Energy From The SUN.
The more the wicked try to slow the Solar Energy Industry down, it only Enhances
involvement and the efforts of the Good at Heart.
through out History Many have tried to wipe the good from our history books.
Read the Bible Jesus will Bless you more then i can.
SolarWorld has been presenting a Einstein Award to personalities who have advanced
the use of solar energy – and helped our Planet Earth.
We all need to tell all our Teachers and Leaders to use our Nation’s Energy more wisely
and efficient. Start to Teach all our Young about Renewable Energy Solar, Wind, and so on.
Not to for get Flintstones, Fred well there are many the one that is in front of all others
Started back in the 1970′s and started a small catalog that has turned into a Wealth of
knowledge into Renewable Energy a book called REAL GOODS Solar Living Source Book.
By Mr. John Schaeffer.
The world is going more with SOLAR, Wind and Geothermal Powered Energy. Speaking of
Geothermal Curt Lubben is just one of many sales representatives that has sold over a
million dollars of Renewable Energy in less then 365 days in the year 2011. The day of the
need for Dirty Oil, Coal and Dangerous Nuclear Power are coming to a end fast. The Freedom Element
Living with Hydrogen That Dr. Addison Bain has showed the world will free most all of the
need for the Power Grid and Oil CEO's.
Very soon most of the world will not need Oil. Renewable Energy like Solar, Wind, Hydro and
Geothermal are now replacing dirty Energy like Oil. Solar Energy is growing World Wide at a
record pace.
Hybrid Cars are being sold all over the Earth. Soon Hybrid Vehicles that run on Electric /
Hydrogen, The Freedom Element. Will free the world from Oil. Thanks to a Great Scientist
Dr. Addison Bain’s Years of work for our Nation and with the Space Program on Hydrogen.
The day will come when many will see Solar Panels on most everything. What Free Electric
the sun makes will be used to split water into Hydrogen. The Hydrogen will be used to heat
our homes and to cook on and put into are Hybrid Vehicles that will run on
(The Freedom Element). Very soon most all will be filling up their Vehicles at Home.
Free from the Sun’s Solar Energy. Just as Dr.Addison Bain has done for years The Fist Hydrogen
Home Refueling Station in the World. That Dr. Addison Bain built by his self.
GOD Bless you for reading this.
May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
guide your Heart.
The Lord’s little Helper
Paul Felix Schott
Two extremely long posts, seemingly identical. Please show some respect for the users of the forum.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisSo how does this kook get to post 10,300 characters (twice) when other commenters are limited to 2500 characters?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYes I also like nuclear power for big ships. The fuel substitutes I mentioned are from wastes and need less energy input. Bacteria do the work in anaerobic digestion. Synthetic fuels need more energy input for F-T chemical reactions.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisCorrections. Archimedes did not invent the laser. He constructed an optical lens that can focus sunlight by refraction. That's not a laser, which absorbs, excites and emits photons through a gain medium. The laser was invented in 1958 at Bell Labs.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisEinstein did not win the Nobel Prize for the photovoltaic effect. It was for the photoelectric effect. The two are different. The former is the effect of light on batteries. The latter is the production of electricity by electomagnetic waves. But it was Hertz who discovered photoelectric effect. Einstein offered a satisfactory explanation of the phenomenon.
Yup but nuke energy is dirt cheap - free really off peak.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAny off-peak energy is cheap but it's not dirt cheap. It's quite expensive to put up a new nuke plant with all the safety features. Storage and disposal of radioactive waste add to the cost.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI hope you're not a teacher because your science and history are wrong. Archimedes did not win against great armies. His city-state was defeated by the Romans and he was killed by a Roman soldier.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAncient sources credited Archimedes for making a burning glass but it's probably not a refractive lens. It's more likely he made a parabolic reflector as demonstrated by the Mythbusters and MIT students in the special episode Archimedes' Death Ray.
Whether refractive lens or parabolic reflector, Archimedes did not build a laser as you claim.
Not.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisCurrent first of a kind nukes cost 4 cents a kwh if built by public power. Westinghouse estimates that will drop to 3 cents when factory module production begins. That is the latest cost of Candu nukes as well.
Those costs include waste storage.
Cheapest form of power there is.
Nope. Nuclear is pretty expensive. Advance combined turbine is cheapest. See Base Overnight Cost in Table 8.2 of the report of US Energy Information Administration.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thishttp://205.254.135.7/forecasts/aeo/assumptions/pdf/electricity.pdf#page=5
Wrong again
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThe EIA is a virulent anti nuclear Big Oil based organization which uses unstated and whacky assumptions to inflate nuclear capital costs and deflate wind solar gas numbers.
SCANA's real numbers for a real nuke build by an extremely inefficient American private utility now under way in S Carolina at twice the cost of similar units in Canada, puts paid to EIA nonsense.
"Why Nuclear?” If you look at the chart at the top right of the slide below, SCANA provided their all-in cost estimates for nuclear ($76/MWh), natural gas ($81/MWh), coal ($117/MWh), offshore wind
($292/MWh) and solar ($437/MWh). For them, “new nuclear continues to be the low cost alternativ"
http://www.scana.com/NR/rdonlyres/94A681F0-6304-46A9-932E-8F7224FC052E/0/SCANA2011AnalystDayPresentation.pdf
For nuclear costs at the mature end of the learning year we have costs of less than 3 cents a kwh after the first score of Candu's were built. Here is an example of units 26 and 27 of Candu technology.all on time in 4 years and on budget at $2B/Gw or less than 3 cents a kwh.- the cheapest reactor available anywhere outside China. The last one was completed in 2007 in Europe.
Google cnnc 168 candu
As for the Big Oils propaganda on natural gas pricing, you so easily suckered need to realize, international gas prices are now up to $18/mcf as much as 10 times US cost when the gas is only a $2/mcf LNG ride to the international market. Wonder why we aren't building LNG plants? Can it be that Big Oil is holding off construction and paying our politicians to deny license until coal plants get converted to gas? Why is that enormous LNG plants are being built in Canada and Australia where paid off governments have antinuke legislation?
You have a typo on page 2. It should be 400-watt-hours per kilogram of battery, not 400-kilowatthours. The latter would be $40 of electricity in 2 pounds of fuel! Not even gasoline can do that.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisIn Panama, the fuel-related activity is insignificant (1/6000) compared to the U.S. and the transit of ships through the Panama Canal.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisBut fuel prices are almost the same as USA.
Then someone does not allow tolls to boats to fluctuate like everything else, thus demonstrating that the market is not so the almighty pretext of price increases.
That same someone is trying to hide in my insignificance, like that of any individual, the Oceanogenic Power:
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-654397
Whatever the heck they do, I hope there is someone with the brains to consider not just the health of the planet but the health of its inhabitants. The people making decisions aren't qualified to evaluate safety. SMART METERS – 100 TIMES MORE RADIATION THAN CELL PHONES. Video Interview: Nuclear Scientist, Daniel Hirsch, (5 minutes)
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thishttp://stopsmartmeters.org/2011/04/20/daniel-hirsch-on-ccsts-fuzzy-math/
2. SMART METERS – CANCER, NERVOUS SYSTEM DAMAGE, ADVERSE REPRODUCTION AFFECTS. Video Interview: Dr. Carpenter, New York Public Health Department, Dean of Public Health, (2 minutes) http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?p=39461
3. The NATIONAL ACADEMY OF ENVIRONMENTAL MEDICINE Calls for Halt To Smart Meters in Homes and Schools. http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/halt-smart-meters/
4. The WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION May 31 2011 placed the Non-ionizing radiation coming from Wireless Smart Meters (& some other wireless devices) on the Class 2-B CARCINOGEN LIST. http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf
5. The NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH Feb 2011 found biological changes in the brain after only minutes of exposure to non-ionizing radiation.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/305/8/808.abstract
6. THE KAROLINSKA INSTITUTE IN STOCKHOLM (the University that gives the Nobel Prizes) ISSUES GLOBAL HEALTH WARNING AGAINST SMART METERS. 2-page Press Release http://www.scribd.com/doc/48148346/Karolinska-Institute-Press-Release
7. LABORATORY SCIENTISTS have observed (1) Human Cell Damage (2) DNA Chain Breaks (3) Breaches in the Blood-Brain Barrier from levels of non-ionizing radiation lower than emitted by WIRELESS Smart meters. http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/cc-video/
8. INSURANCE COMPANIES won’t insure smart meter liability due to biological damage seen by scientists they hired. TV Video (3 minutes)
By Anonymous on Smart Meters Have High Enough EMF To Kill Humans on 3/12/12
Unfortunately the cost estimates you cited are not an apple-to-apple comparison, note that nuclear has a capacity factor of 90% while combined cycle has 50%. Of course nuclear would appear cheaper. If they had the same capacity factor, combined cycle would be cheaper.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYour sources, SCANA and CNNC, are business corporations engaged in and promoting nuclear power. I doubt their neutrality. EIA is a government agency under DOE. It is more independent and less bias than for-profit nuclear corporations.
the most detailed and reputable study done by the IEA in 2010 shows Nuclear the lowest Levelized Cost of Nuclear, Coal, Gas and Onshore Wind.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thishttp://www.oecd-nea.org/pub/egc/docs/exec-summary-ENG.pdf
https://www.iea.org/textbase/nppdf/free/2010/projected_costs.pdf
Understand that this is also First-of-a-kind GenIII Nuclear with Zero Supply Chain built, ZERO learning curve cost reductions and an obscene, corrupt Regulatory Environment which in the USA, includes a staunch anti-Nuclear, lackey, who leads the NRC - a man who has ZERO qualifications, ZERO experience and once was the anti-Nuclear whack-job Ed Markey's main man on Energy, and then went to work for the loonie-tunes anti-nuke Harry "boondoggle" Reid, who demanded he get the job, or he would shut the Federal Gov't down. With miscreants like that running the gov't forget about terrorists, they couldn't even come close to doing the damage to America as Harry Reid, Jackzo & Markey have already done.
Nuclear costs would drop like a stone if the Nuclear Industry was regulated like the Airline/Aircraft, Coal, Oil, Gas and Hydro industries are regulated. Considering that Nuclear has the best safety record of ANY industry in the USA. There would be factories cranking out Small Modular Reactors for <$1k per kwth, $2k per kwel, intrinsically safe, self-regulating, pick one out of a catalog, anywhere from 100 kw to 100 MW output - 2 wks delivery, from order date. Big Oil would KILL, Murder, Assassinate or have countries invaded if necessary, before they would allow that to happen.
dictate to us hu?
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisa democracy?
? $ 9.00 agallon is this realy obams plan?
research it.. Newt offers $ 2.50 a gallon gas
Newt for President the only one who has a clue!
Like a lot of folks just starting to learn about energy you are confusing efficiency with capacity factor.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisScana is the gas distribution company in its territory - nuclear company it is not. I daresay it knows a hell of lot more about gas and nukes than Big Oil's appointees at the EIA.
My sources are quoting actual real regulator approved budget or as built costs not some theoretical analysis based on dubious and/or unstated assumptions by extreme biased sources at the EIA.
Advanced Nuke power gets lip service service only from the Obama adminstration riddled with Big Oil purchased bureaucrats pushing the Big Oil's politically correct and lucrative renewable/gas backup agenda. Here's IFR advocate Stephen Kirsch begging the nuclear obstructionists betraying their country in the White house to let the IFR go.
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/09/28/why-obama-should-meettill/#more5076
Ranting and raving.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAre you a Scientific American?
I think not.
Try civility for a change.
Canada has a fair number of nuke plants.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisIt is not _paid off governments_ in Canada that is blocking more nukes from being built. It is public sentiment stopping government from doing what it would otherwise do.
I remember a lady friend from British Columbia telling about the night life in Whistler when she recounted an incident that involved her leaving a recent acquaintance standing on the dance floor of a nightclub because he mentioned that he worked for a nuclear plant in Washington state. She said she didn't want to get contaminated. She was a school teacher. Heck, in British Columbia they won't even allow their considerable uranium deposits to be mined because of the public fear that the product might be used in a nuclear plant somewhere.
My post #48 was directed to post #39 from sethdayal
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to this- just wanted to point out that corn/maize is a good to very good Animal feed and a piss-poor food stuff for humans , also ''Brewers grains " as all the by-products of ethanol fermentation are called , can be reintroduced into the 'diets' of cattle , swine , and hens , as an improved high protein supplemet at reduced cost to the farmer , even to the point of reducing total volume of food stuffs fed and producing a reduction in flatulence/methane production !
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNuke plants and uranium mining are prohibited by law in BC while fracking and LNG plants are promoted by the fascist government there.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisVery interesting what Mr. Steven Chu says and very good what he is doing for the USA and very probably for the world too. And let us forget about borders, if you allow me to mention that at this point; we are very probably to continue moving toward a borderless world; the world village is the name of the game (to a certain extent for the time being). My modest point of view is that neither sugar nor corn should be use for making bio-fuels. Really no plant suitable for human or animal consumption should be used for making bio-fuels. Probably as we move forward necessary changes will be made so land is mainly used for making food. The poorest people I have been unfortunate to meet and see are in the USA, but I have not traveled the world around, not even half of it. I hope I never found any people poorer that that. But I have also met many nice, healthy, rich, hard-working, very friendly and extremely positive, brash and bold Americans.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisRead Oceanogenic Power:
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thishttp://challenge.ecomagination.com/ideas/OCEANOGENIC-POWER-Up-to-16000GW-of-Energ
Economic and energetically, has the same efficiency of hydros and more capacity than any fuel technology. Even Nuke.
In 10 years we would have enough clean energy garanteed. From a point on the planet: So what? Cheap oil has not also come from a single point on the earth? And what happened to the other technologies that need more time? These will solve again, the apparent initial monopoly.And let's not be hypocrites, there is also the example of the Panama Canal.
This energy guarantee would remove the alleged fear of equity markets and would reactivate, yesterday, the U.S. economy and of the world. Panama has been and still is, a partner of USA and are separated by less distance than the world's largest hydroelectric power have, to their respective markets.
And clean energy cheap and enough means at last you can refine all proposed green energy carriers. And superconductors already justify doing at the end of transmission lines, at the beginning and over the last mile distribution.
The best energy source is the one which you have not burned. This is the meaning of economy.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisIn response to #51 sethdiyal
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNo political party in British Columbia would even consider raising either nuclear power or uranium mining as something that could be discussed as a serious policy option. All parties regardless of political orientation are united in this approach.
Whatever their natural inclination on this subject would be, they are aware that, right or wrong, the people of B.C. feel revulsion towards nuclear anything.
Canada in general and B.C. in particular have a super abundance of natural gas. Thus they have built pipelines and L.N.G. terminals for export purposes not import. This natural gas is generally being used to replace coal power generation.
The people of B.C. simply will not listen to any of the arguments that you put forward to advocate for nuclear. They will not hear you. Their response is visceral.
The various governments over the decades may well have wished that they could be bought off (as you put it) but the fact is they have no option. About the only thing the very highly polarized electorate of British Columbia agree on is ...no nukes...
You may consider such governments fascist because they don't agree with your notions of power generation but the free enterprise, socialist and centrist governments that have held power over the last fifty years have all supported increased development of the natural gas fields and blocking any thing nuclear.
Calling people fascist or bought off by Big Oil because they have deep seated reservations about nuclear is not really likely to help convince them that you have real arguments to support your position
sethdiyal
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI think if you look at the history of the nuclear power program in Ontario you would choose some other example to make your case.
In fact I surprised anyone would use Ontario as an example of anything useful in power generation of any type.
It seems strange that you would use Ontario as a positive example when it is about to have the highest electricity rates in North America while strongly criticizing British Columbia which has the lowest.
"...No political party in British Columbia would even consider raising either nuclear power... discussed as a serious policy option..."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThat's what they said about Australia, now Nuclear is an issue - the ONLY way they can possibly reduce their high GHG emissions.
"...right or wrong, the people of B.C. feel revulsion towards nuclear anything..."
I don't believe that. Prove it - where's your poll numbers. A lot of Chinese and East Indian immigrants to BC and they are a lot more pragmatic than idealogue Greenie Religious types. And 70% of Ohioans in a recent poll opposed Shale Gas development - that hasn't stopped it from going forward. The BC residents would come round to Nuclear Power with and education program and tax the bejesus out of these free, secretive, taxpayer subsidized, massive donations that Big Carbon is making to pseudo-Green organizations like the Sierra Club & Greenpeace.
"...the free enterprise... held power over the last fifty years have all supported increased development of the natural gas fields and blocking any thing nuclear..."
No they haven't. France, Japan, South Korea have all embraced Nuclear. In spite of efforts from Big Oil/NG cronies to create adverse public opinion.
BC will have NO CHOICE but to embrace Nuclear or their GHG emissions will go sky high, with Shale Gas production. They will look pretty f'in stupid, when Small Modular Reactors are being installed around the World at less than 1/2 or 1/4 the cost of NG and Oil. Embarrassed by their IRRATIONAL obstinance and their high energy costs along with outrageous GHG emission. They won't have a choice - there is no alternative to Nuclear Energy.
And Shale Gas is mostly hype - it emits more GHG emission than Coal, is much more expensive than conventional gas - and the economic supply will deplete much faster than the PONZI Scam artists are claiming. And Canada will run out, forced to supply USA NG demand as well as ours under NAFTA.
"...because they have deep seated reservations about nuclear..."
There are VERY FEW people who have "deep seated reservations" about Nuclear Energy. People have been indoctrinated by a Big Carbon paid Disinformation Campaign, and almost all of them are mildly prejudiced against Nuclear, mostly just don't care a whole lot - as long as they get the Energy they NEED TO SURVIVE. Offer most people a choice - double Hydro rates or Nuclear Power and you'll get 75% support - easy.
Their Fascism reflects their purchase by Big Oil.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYour ignorance on BC energy issues is astounding.
There are no LNG export plants in BC or Canada. There is talk of them. Replacing coal with gas still murders thousands of Canadians every year and produces as many GHG's just less than coal.
Actually the latest survey had over 65% of BC residents in favor of uranium mining which is amazing considering the lies Big Oil owned media puts out on the subject. All callers to Bill Good or Shawn Leslie's talk show that I've heard support nuke power when the subject comes up as do most media pundits when asked.
Nuke power in Ontario is by far the cheapest energy available to the ISO. OPG makes $1B per annum profit selling nuke power to the ISO.
Ontario's high power cost similar to privatized Alberta was caused by the sell out of Ontario Hydro by the Fascist Mike Harris.
Anything else?
"Like a lot of folks just starting to learn about energy you are confusing efficiency with capacity factor."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI think you're the one confused and just starting to learn about energy. Clearly I was talking about capacity factor. I don't know why you confused that with efficiency.
You stated " , note that nuclear has a capacity factor of 90% while combined cycle has 50%"
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisGo back to school my friend.
Combined cycle plants are out of service about 20% of the time so capacity factor is 80% just like new coal plants. Efficiency is 50% compared to coal and OCGT at roughly 35%.
"The battery manufacturer Envia, which both [the U.S. Department of Energy's (DoE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy and its Advanced Research Projects Agency–Energy] supported just announced a 400-kilowatt-hour-per-kilogram battery."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisI wish that was correct, but the article it links to states "400 watt-hour-per-kilogram battery".
Still, 400 watt/hour would extend the range of a chevy volt on battery power only from the present 25-50 miles to 125-250 miles!
reply to #58 sethdiyal said:
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to this...There are no LNG export plants in BC or Canada....
You are correct. The B.C. L.N.G. sites have been designated, government approvals given, the financing is in place, the community supports them, the aboriginals are behind them (one of the plants will actually be on the reserve), the general route for the pipeline has been established with the support of the communities along the right of way and the supply source and markets are in hand. But you are right they haven't been completed. Two are fully committed. The other two have to wait for the labor and logistic issues to clear up from the construction of the first two.
...Replacing coal with gas still murders thousands of Canadians every year and produces as many GHG's just less than coal.....I'm not sure what you mean by this statement. Are you saying that thousands of Canadians are killed in on site industrial accidents every year which is worse than the record for coal? I don't need to look up the statistics to tell you that coal mining is much more dangerous than natural gas extraction and I doubt that thousands are killed in either or both. Are you saying that G.H.G.s kill thousands of Canadians every year? If so, in what way?
....Nuke power in Ontario is by far the cheapest energy available to the ISO. OPG makes $1B per annum profit selling nuke power to the ISO......OPG doesn't make a profit on anything it does. It is true that if you transfer the cost of construction, decadal refurbishment and waste disposal from nuke plants as Ontario did, then you can sell nuke power for more than the simple cost of operation but the ratepayers and/or the taxpayers still have to pay those billions. It is _not_ a profitable operation.
AS for the bought governments and fascist governments, it seems like you regard anybody who disagrees with you about nuke power is one or both.
Actually I don't see you as a fascist just an idiot. Perhaps a remedial reading/arithmetic course at a local elementary school is just the ticket for you.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNatural gas is a deadly air polluter with extremely dangerous fine particle emissions that kill and sicken folks near and far. The global warming consequences of gas will kill billions.
"OPG doesn't make a profit on anything it does."
Ok it makes $1b more money selling power than it costs it to produce it. That money gets transferred to the people of Ontario to pay for things like health care.
" It is true that if you transfer the cost of construction,"
That cost is included not transferred at all.
" decadal refurbishment"
Required after 30 years so 3 decades. With the time value of money a tiny additional cost per kwh.
" and waste disposal "
Not needed as the waste will be stored on site until used on site by Gen IV reactors.
".It is _not_ a profitable operation. "
Actually the all in costs of Ontario's Candu's is 3 cents a kwh which it sells on the ISO at 6 cents. Sounds like a profit to me.
reply to 57. dwbd
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThe only proof that I have that the people of B.C. won't support uranium mining or nuclear power is that they have never allowed either one.
B.C. is larger than Washington, Oregon and California combined. Someone responding to a poll in San Diego might be only mildly disapproving of a nuclear power site in Portland but will suddenly become much more focused if it is to be located anywhere near where he lives.
The people of B.C. barely accept mining of any kind anywhere near where they live. Some communities refuse to tie into the B.C. Hydro grid, which as its name implies is power from mostly hydro sources. I can't imagine these people signing up for nukes. Communities that refuse to pave the few roads that they have and do everything to discourage the presence of cars seem like poor prospects for nuke sympathisers. The debris field from the Japanese earthquake/nuclear disaster will washing up on Vancouver Island this summer. For months the media will be full of horror stories about the event and how lucky B.C. is that it doesn't have nukes given that it is due for a similar massive earthquake in the near future.
I mean think about it. GreeenPeace was started and got its basic principles in B.C.
As for B.C. residents eventually having to choose between a doubled hydro rate or nuclear power.. well, they will do what they usually do. They will demand that taxes be raised on someone else so that they can get subsidized services.
reply to 63. sethdiyal
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisOntario ratepayers are paying down the their 13 billion dollar stranded debt at a rate of one billion dollar a year. It's called a Debt Retirement Charge placed on all power bills.
Refueling Ontario's nuclear plants comes after 20 years and takes from five to ten years. In another thirty years entire nuclear plants will have to be decommissioned, dismantled and disposed of in some way and I can assure you that won't be cheap.
The last shipment of radioactive waste material from Ontario nuclear plants was destined for Sweden in 2010. Since it was shipped through the Great Lakes this was a big deal throughout the states and provinces that border on the Lakes, the St. Lawrence Seaway and the St. Lawrence river. Perhaps you missed that.
"...Ontario ratepayers are paying down the their 13 billion dollar stranded debt at a rate of one billion dollar a year. It's called a Debt Retirement Charge placed on all power bills..."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNope, you're wrong. The Nuclear Debt is already paid and Ontario is making almost a $billion per yr on Nuclear power sales. McGoofy is arbitrarily continuing the Debt Retirement charge of 0.7 cents per kwh, it is really just another subsidy to pay the 13.5 to 80.2 cents per kwh that his worthless Wind & Solar program is costing. The facts on the DRC:
http://morecoldair.blogspot.ca/2011/08/retire-debt-retirement-charge.html
"...ast shipment of radioactive waste material from Ontario nuclear plants was destined for Sweden in 2010..."
Now you are being ridiculous. That was a steam generator sent to Sweden for recycling, and it is trivially radioactive, less so then the daily emissions from an NG power plant.
"...efueling Ontario's nuclear plants comes after 20 years and takes from five to ten years..."
Another idiotic statement. You are talking about refurbishment NOT REFUELING and that is after 25 years of operation and extends life of the reactor for another 30 yrs. The Wolsong 1 CANDU refurbishment was completed last year after 839 days, a little over 2 yrs, not your invented number of 5-10ys:
www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_Korean_Candu_restarts_after_refurbishment_2907114.html
"...The debris field from the Japanese earthquake/nuclear disaster will washing up..."
Another dumb statement. The debris is from the tsunami, and BC has had and will get one of those as well. The Nuclear incident will contribute ZIP to that debris field, but it will be full of chemical, heavy metal and asbestos toxic materials. Of the total 11kg of Radioisotopes emitted by the Fukushima Nuclear plants, the debris may contain a few nano-grams. Greenpeace will likely send a well-paid team out scouring the debris seeing if they can find a few atto-grams.
And I guess you've never bothered reading all the horror stories about Shale Gas - makes Nuclear Power of Uranium Mining look absolutely benign in comparison. So how come you accept that your super-greenie BC residents will gladly embrace a MASSIVE EXPANSION of Shale Gas in BC as is planned, and as is happening.
Fracking Toxic chemicals:
www.endocrinedisruption.com/chemicals.introduction.php
High radiation emissions from NG fracking wastewater:
www.propublica.org/article/is-the-marcellus-shale-too-hot-to-handle-1109
www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/us/27gas.html?_r=4&ref=homepage&src=me&pagewanted=all
reply to #66. dwbd
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisYou seem anxious to convince me that nuclear power is the way to go. If so, you are missing the point of my comments.
In your original post you stated among other things that the govt. of British Columbia was fascist and bought off by nefarious forces because they haven't adopted nuclear power. You gave Ontario as an obvious example of a nuclear success story.
Since many contributors on this board may not be familiar with either province I thought it necessary to provide an alternative to that view, not to the efficacy of nuclear power.
My point is that it is the people of British Columbia that are opposed to nuclear power while, at the same time they are very supportive of exploitation of B.C.'s natural gas fields, both conventional and tight.
I offer as evidence to support that contention, the fact that uranium mining in B.C. is banned, by name, by law and has been forty years. I also pointed out that there are no plans for nuclear power in B.C. nor have there ever been. I pointed out that none of the socio-political elements in B.C. and the forces that claim to represent them have ever been in favour of uranium mining or nuclear power. This is true of B.C.'s environmental, socialist, private enterprise and centrist political parties as they describe themselves. None of them are even discussing either possibility. Additionally, they are all on record as supporting an increase in the development of B.C's natural gas and especially going after the revenue from a massive increase in the already substantial natural gas export market.
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cont. from #67 in reply to #66. dwbd
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisAs to the future of nuclear in B.C. none can really say but the first conspicuous example of the Fukushima disaster debris field is already showing up at the coast of B.C. Soon they will begin hearing stories of the disaster recounting the horror of the tsunami as well as the additional horror of the nuclear disaster.
The event is known in B.C. as the Fukushima incident. That is because even though the large scale loss of human life and property destruction that generated the debris field took place elsewhere in Japan, the associated nuclear disaster took place in the relatively isolated area of Fukushima.
You misunderstand what I said when I talked about the effect of the debris field on public consciousness. Very few members of the B.C. public will believe that the debris itself is radioactive. Quite the opposite. They will be told that this debris is the result of the earthquake/tsunami, but it was just one of the problems that the Japanese faced.
The real problem, the one that is still going on, the one for which there is no solution in sight, the one that every one in Japan agrees was a massive, human caused and sustained mistake, is the one that will be discussed in B.C.
This will not assuage nuclear concerns in B.C. This is because almost everyone in B.C. believes that an earthquake of a more serious type (combined shaker and roller) of a much greater magnitude is imminent.
In your posts you have held Ontario power as a good example of the use of nuclear power. I responded with the observation that since Ontario will soon have the highest electricity rates in North America and B.C. has some of the lowest these examples did little to support your main point.
In response you have said that Ontario nuclear plants produce power for an incredibly low cost allowing it to be sold at very large profit. You dismiss my comment about those figures reflecting only the operational costs which exclude debt associated with initial construction and refurbishment/refueling costs.
Your response was that there was no debt attached to the Ontario power system. Then your response was that it exists but is not related to the nuclear plants and the specific debt repayment charge every Ontario electricity user must pay is simply a trick imposed by a money grubbing government which is not justified by the problem free nature of nuclear power and the trivial costs attached to it.
more on Ontario nuclear power
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"...In your original post you stated among other things that the govt. of British Columbia was fascist..."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNo I didn't. But I would certainly say they have acquiesced to the powerful Fossil Fuel lobby in BC, which knows very well that their only real threat is Nuclear Energy. And that is a 100 $trillion threat.
Undoubtedly, BC will continue their Greenie charade, with terrible pollution, including Shale Gas radioisotopes far beyond anything Uranium mining would produce, let alone a Nuclear Power plant. They can do this because your Greenie groups like WWF, Greenpeace & the Sierra Club are strongly influenced by extraordinary levels of Graft & Payola from Big Oil/NG family foundations and so accordingly are usually supportive of NG as a bridge fuel, combined with Renewables, but of course are Rabidly anti-Nuclear - that's why they are being paid to the tune of $billions - yep, I said $billions. Look it up.
http://ecofascism.com/article23.html
When, the plan fails, as is inevitable, CO2 emissions increase, pollution & fresh water use increases, power production cannot meet demand, NG shortages start to occur, there is a backlash against the monstrous levels of Shale Gas pollution, then even the BC Gov't Dimwits will be forced to accept Nuclear Power. Especially when other jurisdictions, mostly in Asia, will be very successful with it. And the appearance of Small Modular Reactors will be a game changer.
You sure like putting words in people's mouths - you keep claiming I said things which I didn't say. That just shows a lack of honesty & integrity on your part. And you keep making claims without any citations, and I keep destroying your claims, facts which you ignore.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to this"...In your posts you have held Ontario power as a good example of the use of nuclear power..."
No I didn't. I contradicted your NUTTY & FALSE claims about Ontario Nuclear Power. Nuclear Power in Ontario has been curtailed and overpriced due to political interference - that has been established. Nonetheless it is still cheaper than any green alternatives, including your Site C Hydro, which is over double the cost of even the inflated Darlington & Pickering Nuclear installations.
"...ntario will soon have the highest electricity rates in North America and B.C. has some of the lowest..."
B.S. Show a citation on that. BC & Ontario are going to get nailed by their big "green energy" programs paying 2-10X what Nuclear costs for Wind, Solar & Run-of-River Hydro. The Ontario Electricity supply is in a state of self-destruction, not due to Nuclear but due to the massive increase in Wind Energy.
"...You dismiss my comment about those figures reflecting only the operational costs which exclude debt associated with initial construction and refurbishment/refueling costs..."
No they don't. I am talking the full levelized cost of Nuclear in Ontario. Consider even your worst case scenario, of the Darlington build vs the latest Fed & Nfld bankrolled Muskrat Falls hydro. It is 825 MWpk, most Hydro runs at 60% CF so that's 495 MWavg vs the four Darlington Nuclear Reactors at 3512MW and 90% CF = 3060 MWavg or 6.2X what Muskrat Falls generates.
So total grossly inflated Darlington cost, caused mostly by idiot & corrupt political meddling, $14.4B for 3160 MWavg output. Or $4.57k per kwavg output. Vs Muskrat Falls @ $6.2B for 495 MWavg output = $12.5k per kwavg output. That's 2.8X the cost of Darlington power.
And your Wind is running over $11k per kwavg output, at least double the inflated cost of Darlington. And Darlington puts out useful power, not useless power that must be exported at a lost, or thrown away or causes equal shadowing power plant losses.
And Capital Cost IS THE DEBT - why can't you understand that?
And the refurbishment cost is still way lower than latest Hydro builds a.k.a. Pt Lepreau, with cost overruns, 1/3rd the cost of La Romaine Hydro.
cont. from #67 and #68 in reply
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You have said that refurbishment/refueling operations are trivial and gave and example of the refurbishment of a nuclear plant in Korea.
But I am and have been talking about Ontario. I am including Wikipedia's coverage of Ontario's Bruce nuclear power generator system which is one of the largest in the world.
Bruce A
* BRUCE A 1
o plant construction begins 1969 [8]
o construction of Bruce-1 begins June 1, 1971 (Bruce-2 work started first) [10]
o first criticality December 17, 1976 [10]
o in service September 1, 1977 (about 8 years to build)
o out of service December 1997 (after about 20 years);
****o currently being refurbished (as of December 2010 idle 13 years)****
o expected retirement 2043
* BRUCE A 2
o construction begins December 1, 1970 [10]
o first criticality July 27, 1976 [10]
o first electricity generated September 4, 1976 [10]
o in service September 1, 1977 [10]
****o out of service October 1995 (after approx. 18 years)
o currently (Feb 2011) being refurbished, expected restart 2012****
o expected retirement 2043
* BRUCE A 3
o construction start July 1, 1972 [10]
o in service 1978
*** o out of service April 1998
o returned to service March 2004
o limited to 92.5% of power [2]***
* BRUCE A 4
o construction start September 1, 1972 [10]
o in service 1979
*** o out of service January 1998
o returned to service November 2003***
I have starred and separated some of the interesting bits from the entries from Wiki.
You will note in Ontario, plant construction takes from 5 to 10 years. Refurbishment comes due between 18 and 25 years. The refurbishment/refueling shutdown lasts from 5 to 13 years.
Since the plants came in way over budget and late, a service interval barely longer than the service shutdown in some cases and and ever increasing financing costs with much less than expected revenue the Ontario government removed the debt load from the power distribution system creating a _stranded debt_ pool. This stranded debt is not carried on the power systems books allowing it borrow money on the markets at a reasonable rate.
This debt was transferred years ago, it still exists and there is currently a designated repayment fee on every Ontario electricity bill.
Final post in the next comment
cont. from #67, 68 and #69 in reply
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This is my last post on this subject. I doubt if anybody except me and possibly you is still interested.
You are are entitled to make what ever claims wrt nuclear power you wish without comment from me. I leave it to others to accept or reject your claims that natural gas poses a more serious radioactivity risk than nuclear power stations. Others can debate that natural gas kills thousands or there no environmental issues with the disposal of retired nuclear plants.
There may, indeed, be societies denied their heartfelt desire to have nuclear plants in their neighbours back yard but are denied such by their repressive corrupt government. However, British Columbia isn't one of them.
There may be operators that have built, commissioned and operated nuclear power in such a way as to be both economical and problem free as well as possess a clear, safe, workable plan to dismantle their units. However Ontario isn't one of them.
When you make such claims about B.C. or Ontario in a forum where many are likely to be unaware of the true situation there, I feel I must respond.
As for my own feelings about nuclear, I know little about it. As long as any nuclear installation can't possibly contaminate the air I breathe, the water I drink, the food I eat or the ground I walk on, I don't much care about it. Oh yeah, as long as I don't have to pay for it.
"...ou have said that refurbishment/refueling operations are trivial..."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisNo I didn't say that. Once again your TOTAL LACK OF HONESTY is apparent. And it ain't refueling, that is done normally under power without a shutdown.
"...Ontario, plant construction takes from 5 to 10 years..."
So you admit that even in Ontario, with political interference construction can be done in 5 yrs, similar to Hydro - the only low emissions option other than Nuclear. And as I showed you a lower cost than Hydro, with much lower land use and short transmission lines.
"...Refurbishment comes due between 18 and 25 years...refurbishment/refueling shutdown lasts from 5 to 13 years..."
Once again, a total lack of intellectual honesty on your part. The refurbishment has been accelerated on the older CANDU's to improve reliability and modernize the plants, which after all were built before there were even computers, instrumentation & controls systems are now light-years ahead of what was used in those days. And the refurbishment has been done on a SLOW schedule due to financial constraints and the fact that the power wasn't needed at the time. The actual refurbishment can be done in 2 yrs, maybe max 3 or 4 including serious modernization & upgrades which increase life by 25 - 30 yr before the next refurbishment or decommissioning. You seem to have the belief that technology is static and you can make one example in Ontario and stupidly claim that is the way it always is and always will be. You seem to believe there is no such thing as a learning curve.
"...This debt was transferred years ago, it still exists and there is currently a designated repayment..."
I gave you a link that explained the 0.7 cents/kwh debt retirement fee and you obviously didn't read it. It is paid off for Nuclear and in any case it is far below the 13.5-80.2 cents per kwh being paid for worthless Wind & Solar power. And I explained that the capital cost overruns which resulted in the debt, still are less than a modern comparable Hydro plant - and FAR LESS than a pretty much useless Wind Farm. Why do you have such trouble understanding basic comparison of Capital cost for electricity sources?
"...British Columbia isn't one of them..."
Once again your personal opinion, devoid of any citation or reference and contradicted by statements of others - BC residents.
"...economical and problem free as well as possess a clear, safe, workable plan to dismantle their units. However Ontario isn't one of them..."
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisOnce again, you show ZERO ability to compare power sources, what you demand hasn't happened with any other power source, you unjustly single out Nuclear which supplies 1/2 of Ontario's Electricity and most of its Green Electricity - very successfully, and problems have been resolved - if you ever worked even one year in industry - you would understand the learning curve - which you don't. The fact that you continue to ignore is that Nuclear in Ontario, in spite of EXTRAORDINARY political interference, generates power much more cheaply than the latest Hydro plants, built in BC, Quebec and Nflnd. And your latest NG power plant blew up killing six workers and maiming 24 others. But according to you, only Nuclear has problems. And your latest mickey mouse run-of-river Hydro plant in BC also caused six worker deaths. How many has Nuclear killed? I guess dead workers doesn't count by your standards.
"...own feelings about nuclear, I know little about it..."
That's pretty obvious.
"...As long as any nuclear installation can't possibly contaminate the air I breathe, the water I drink, the food I eat or the ground I walk on, I don't much care about it. Oh yeah, as long as I don't have to pay for it..."
An IDIOTIC statement. Are you claiming your Coal, NG and Diesel power plant don't contaminate the air, food, water? They do - you are eating mercury from big Coal power plants in the USA. And breathing SOx, NOx, particulates, Radon, and CO2 from NG power plants. And you ARE PAYING FOR IT. What you think power should be free? In BC you are paying 13 cents a kwh for low grade run-of-river Hydro power which is predominate in Spring when demand is lowest. Latest private Bruce Power long term contracts are 6.3 cents/kwh. That's for reliable 24/7, summer/winter power - vs you paying 13 cents per kwh - plus 1 cent federal. And you claim Ontario Nuclear is not economical. And where is all the pollution from Ontario Nuclear? - Oh - there isn't any. But you are totally happy with the MASSIVE pollution from your Shale Gas production and NG Power plants. Pure Hypocrisy on your part.
A good presentation on the Enhanced CANDU 6, EC6, GenIII nuclear reactor:
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thiswww-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/P1500_CD_Web/htm/pdf/topic3/3S02_S.%20Azeez.pdf
If EC6's were used at Fukushima, there would have been no problem, they can suffer total station blackout indefinitely without damage. And they can burn Spent Fuel from Light Water Reactors as they are already doing in China, and they can also burn thorium. 60 yr design life with one mid-life refurbishment. At a cost of $3.5k per kw that is way cheaper than ANY hydro being installed in BC or Quebec or Nfld. Or any other green tech.
57 month build time is targeted and achieved. 96% CF is quite achievable and has been achieved. 740 MWe output is medium sized, suitable for smaller grids and those who don't want high capital cost outlays. Completely blows away PM Harper & Alberta's Carbon Capture SCAM in terms of $dollars per tonne of CO2 emitted. Makes the Alberta/Harper CCS SCAM look like some kind of SICK PERVERSE JOKE. Rock bottom maximum 1/10th the cost of CCS - and ACTUALLY works (unlike CCS).
And includes a modern DCS control system, Big Oil/NG sycophants like NorthernGuy, have trouble understanding that the older Reactors like at Fukushima and Pickering, Pt. Lepreau, etc had primitive pneumatic control systems, INCREDIBLY archaic 60's vintage instrumentation, no trending or advanced alarm systems, that are common in all modern industrial control systems.
So the conclusion is UNAVOIDABLE, for British Columbia going Nuclear, is the ONLY way they can keep power costs down and avoid an ALARMING increase in GHG emissions, as well as unbelievable destruction of BC's pristine wilderness by Run-of-River Hydro plants, Wind Farms and Shale Gas Fracking devastation, with massive forest clear-cutting and long distance transmission lines raped through the temperate rain forest, large scale soil erosion and disruption of salmon runs. Any TRUE Patriot of BC's wilderness HAS NO CHOICE but to accept Nuclear as the ONLY WAY to make BC a true Ecological Sentinel - the RIGHT WAY to make a modern technological economy ECO-Friendly. A NO-BRAINER!
Oceanogenic Power:
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisFOB Panama: 5 cents per kilowatt hour; or
CIF USA: 10 cents, including the transmission line.
Go back to the reference you cited my friend.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisIt shows capacity factor 90% for nuclear and 50% for combined cycle. I don't know where you got your new figures.
The IEA study you cited incorporates a $30 per ton CO2 tax. That's why nuclear appeared to be cheaper than coal and gas. Without the carbon tax, nuclear is more expensive.
Reply | Report Abuse | Link to thisThis is common knowledge in the power industry. Those insisting otherwise are not familiar with the industry like Seth.
I was pretty excited to read this number "400 kWh/kg" even so, doubling up on current standards is definitely what we want to see from DOE funding!
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